Are there any?
>>23387961How about you have a cup of harden the fuck up instead?
>>23387961how about you grow the fuck up faggot?
>>23387961No mechs, but you'll take what you're given.
>>23387965>>23387972What the hell? What did I do to you?>>23387994In terms of what? The themes? I want a book that touches on the same themes as Eva but that also have that fantastical element. Also Eva is not a Christian anime, it just has Christian symbolism because it’s cool to the japs.
How about a book Evangelion was based on?
>>23387997>Also Eva is not a Christian anime, it just has Christian symbolism because it’s cool to the japs.Filtered.
>>23387997>In terms of what? The themes? Yes. If you just read the first chapter you'll see what I mean.
>>23388006Pseud.
>>23388004Source?
>>23388006I'd have called you out until my most recent rewatch where it's clear that science and religion are tightly intertwined in NGE beyond the imagery. You're actually right to call him out.
>>23387997>Also Eva is not a Christian anime, it just has Christian symbolism because it’s cool to the japs.This is true, but I reckon belief rates would surge if mankind witnessed actual gods appear, and they might even look for saviours.
>>23388417But not Christianity
>>23388498Care to explain your reasoning?
That escalated quickly feeling...Bradbury or Julio Verne
>>23388524He used seance to divine it
>>23388498this one's actually true, though gravity's rainbow is too unapologeticly american for me to enjoy fully with its shit eating, bbc gay nigga passages that were apparently integral to the plot
Stephen Crane omnibus from LOA
>>23388544What books have a character like Asuka in them?
>>23388717Nellie from Maggie: A Girl of The Streets
>>23388736Based and true
>>23387961Eva is just some kind of stupid Freudism. If you want to waste your time again go read Lacan.
>>23388504You reek of Internet atheism anon, wash it off your mind and grow up
>>23388905Eva is Nitezschean in nature.
Please, grow up
>>23388628The book is a cornerstone of American mentality against Europe. It Horny, Gross, and sometimes, even Sexy.
>>23387961Mein diary, baumkuchen
>>23387997>>23388504It's not Christian in the sense that the anime is telling you to love Jesus or whatever. In fact, many Christians might be offended by what it has to say (which wasn't a concern when making the show because they didn't know it would air outside Japan). However it does engage with Jewish and Christian philosophical ideas through the terms and symbols it uses. It is a mistake to dismiss the religious stuff in Eva as "it's just there to look cool."
>>23387961Der Ring des Nibelungen. This was decided long ago. Siegfried is Shinji, Wotan is Gendo, Fafner is an angel, Brunnhilde is Asuka, Gotterdammerung is EOE, etc.>supernatural forces and battles>family relationship troubles>individuals having to face the end of the world or choose whether to save it>psychoanalytical themes like incest and rebelling against the father>dad runs an organisation that controls everything>missing mother figure>balances mythology with individual drama>literally invented the phrase 'live, laugh, love'>basic message is leave art and politics and enjoy life (Wagner originally wanted to perform the Ring for three weeks then burn the theatre and score so people could take the message into the real world, build a better society and not get lost in the work itself)>similarly choreographs advanced visuals and movement to intoxicating musicOne could go on forever.
>>23387961Philip K Dick's Galactic Pot-Healer is very similar imo. I would say that The stream of consciousness sections of the latter episodes and End of Evangelion are also very reminiscent of Beckett's The Unnamable and to a lesser extent, Malone dies, another book by Beckett.
>>23387961Childhood's End by Arthur C Clarke
Any book written about Latin America or within it.
>>23389436Nothing Nietzschean about buying crying shinji funko pops. Anno never went beyond Schopenhauer. Id even argue that a show like Gurren Lagann outperforms completely anything Eva tried to achieve.
>>23389069You reek of christcuckoldry
>>23391018Anon I never went to a mass, never prayed and I am not baptised. You're just a fucking asshole is what it is.That's why you reek of reddit you dumb fucking American lardass.
>>23391107Your pastor's not gonna fuck you bro
>>23390457Finished this and had to listen to Komm Susser Tod after that ending
>>23390457Clarke was a hack and an atheist.
>>23390928LOOOOL, Gurren Lagann’s whole message is basically just “uhh yeah bruh, just follow your dreams even if they’re literally impossible in the physical reality”
>>23387961Have you read the manga? It's amazingly good.
>>23391751...it's not tho, it lacks most elements that made the anime good and replaced them with nothing. Although I like manga shinji as he has some balls but he being unlikeable was half the point of the story.
>>23391794The ending of the manga actually makes sense.
>>23391794I thought he was likeable.>>23391840the ending of the anime also does, plus making sense isn't necessarily a good thing
>>23390166Based
The real appeal of Eva is how well it goes from basically a cozy sitcom to existential/cosmic horror. It pulls off both these atmospheres really well. I've read/watched many works that are far better then it, but that descent it pulls off is still unique and its why I still considered it good .
>>23391794I like the artist, Yoshiyuki Sadamoto. In my NGE edition he wrote small essays about his life between chapters and they're kinda funny.
>>23387961A Scanner Darkly I think is very psychologically and tonally similar
>>23391869No, it doesn’t and yes, it is.
>>23388006yeah, quite tired of that midwit opinion
>>23387961Evangelion was an anime first, manga second, OP.
>>23392154How is it Christian?
>>23387961The one I'm writing
>>23391733So was Anno, what’s your point?
>>23390166You made me want to read that book. I hope to not get disappointed anon.
>>23392018The ending of the movie doesn't though. >ends up Shinji wanting to live and be happy>instantly cries and tries to kill Asuka, then Asuka tells him that he is disgusting vs >ends up Shinji wanting to live and be happy>humans resurrect with no memory of the last events >Shinji meets Asuka again in other circumstances
>>23392864I meant to answer this>>23391869
>>23392864The end of the rebuild movies is the best>ends up Shinji wanting to live and be happy>he finds someone normal to spend the rest of his life with
Neon Genesis Evangelion is the worst anime out there. Half of the episodes are just mindless mecha battle. Then the other half are the main character being a cuck. But there are books about and for losers, just like NGE. Stoner, The Catcher in the Rye.
>>23392845You're meant to listen to and read it at the same time.
>>23392835Source?
>>23393044Thanks, didn't know that. Should I listen to this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PBhlPeTJ_g
>>23393155That's just a collection of the famous excerpts, whereas if you're reading the text you need the music to follow every word. You have a few different choices, I'll just give you a quick rundown:Keilberth 52 (my favourite but it's old so audio quality is lower)Keilberth 55 (would be perfect if they didn't rearrange the recording material without remembering to rearrange the brass section, so the brass is EXTREMELY LOUD for no good reason and that might spoil it)Solti Decca (considered the best entry point for beginners, very loud, expressive, very good audio quality, has state of the art sound effects and creates an aural landscape so you can hear characters moving around, with top notch singers, but also sloppy and lacking in subtlety)Bohm 66-67 (a fine recording, very fast as per Wagner's wishes, a good standard)Karajan 67-70 (a perfectly good performance, but quite slow, it really just exists to get as much out of the orchestral texture as possible, so if you're only interested in the music this is a good choice)There are obviously many more but these are some of my go-tos. The Solti playlist is here:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZF9FznVgx4&list=PL44418BAE1B3D60EDhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFn29Y9J0fU&list=PL5DEA2761A189FD77https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_LrHBPfeas&list=PLBD1B4652453F8A0Ahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8xac1_SqkY&list=PL2F4C94FEE71C385C
>>23391739Has as much depth as EVA. Anime isn't really the place to find "deep messages" or whatever you're trying to convey. They vary to infantile garbage to pseudo-intellectual musings you would hear from a teenager.
>>23393333You’re a pseud if you don’t think Eva is as deep as classical literature
>>23393356NTA but you're literally 14 years old or mentally stunted.
>>23393333lol fag
>>23390166God I love you, Wagner-fag.
>>23393365And you’re a pseud.
>>23392920>being a cuckA cuck implies that you willingly let a relationship get used by someone else. I've heard on /tv/ accusing Monk of being a cuck in regards to his wife's daughter, but he's not a cuck because his wife basically got raped before the story even started and he didn't raise the daughter; he didn't even know she existed until she was an adult. Shinji is just an autistic beta, the worse type of person to be.
>>23387961I'm surprised no one mentioned Fyodor Dostoevsky. Yes, on the surface level, some Science Fiction books, like Philip K. Dick books seem more like Neon Genesis Evangelion. But this doesn't account for anything for the emotions in the the show or how it makes you feel. When I first watched NGE, I didn't like it. But weeks later, I couldn't stop thinking about it, the dred. But also I laughed at it. This is the same feeling I had with Dostoevsky novels. I was peer pressured into reading his works by /lit/, and everyday, I read a chapter of one of his books. When I was reading it, it was painful, each chapter. But a week after reading one, I loved what I read. I also would joke about it ironically, just like I laugh about the dark stuff in NGE. Same experience.
>>23393398I love it how this is supposed to be a "gotcha" moment and it's only corroborating with what the other anon is saying; just pure pedophilic shit.
>>23393867God, how do i miss being 16. How's school?
>>23393876Cope and seeth. /lit/s favorite author gives off the same vibes. I wouldn't know, I'm 39, have multiple degrees. Been out for years. And I first watched Evangelion when I was a preteen when it came out on VHS in 1998 in America. I remember liking Ranma 1/2, Tenchi Muyo!, and Urusei Yatsura when my friend made me watch them from the specialty rental store. But when he made me watch NGE, I didn't like it at first. It took me weeks later to like it, after watching it, and thinking deeply about what was the meaning of the show. /lit/ peer pressured me into reading Dostoevsky, and I finally made a ritual to get through him. 100% the same vibe and same effect. /lit/ doesn't see it, because most of /lit/ is lying about reading him. Notes from the Underground is basically like one huge Shinji moment. Rei is ever pure prostitute in his novels. Asuka is every raving woman, like Katerina Ivanovna Marmeladov. It's all there. The Christian symbols and Kabbalah not being explained in NGE, the philosophy being a cover for Fyodor Eastern Orthodoxy and people misreading his philosophy.
>>23387961You can always try Catcher in the Rye, that's for whiny incel bitches too.
>>23387961>Robert Anton Wilson Illuminatus Trilogy>Colin Wilson, Mind Parasites>Phillip K Dick, Valis>Man & Technics, Spengler>Science Politics & Gnosticism, Voeglin
>>23387961He Rapes His Sister Phoebe
>>23393873Rebellion mogs your favorite book, btw
>>23390136>Christian philosophical ideasSuch as...?
>>23393873Madoka isn't prepubescent
>>23391739You wouldn't get it because you aren't chad enough.
>>23394264But my favorite book IS Paradise Lost.
>>23394344>>23394965Uoh god Jesus she's too cute
>>23387961For your consideration.
>>23393876ironic
I thought steppenwolf was Evangelion-esque
>>23393922Hey, I almost want to agree with you but there are two massive differences between Dosto and Eva. 1 is that Fyodor is too pre-Freudian with his character analysis to ever conform to the negative spiritual depiction Eva has of its characters. 2 is that Eva is too materialist-Kabbalastic to ever say anything true to religious thought; religion is a framework hiding an underlying element of truth ready to be clutched and perverted by the whims of men.They go on completely different ways. With Fyodor you end with a gross perversion of The Way of a Pilgrim, with Evangelion you get the missing link between Schopenhauer and Hegel through a work that understands neither.
>>23387961Lolita
Kafka On The Shore is essentially the same story and themes but without mechs
>>23393867Which novel would you recommend to start with?
>>23395575good answer
>>23387961Childhood's End has certain beats in that vein. I explicitly read it due to the similar themes to NGE, and it didn’t lesve me disappointed.
>>23397247Is Asuka the sister he rapes in his dream?
>>23387961Idk but I want to make Asuka a single mom
>>23393809This is literally me lol
>>23391018Looks like the previous reply hit the nail squarely on the head.
>>23394342nta, but the Human Instrumentality Project is a sort of rapture, where all souls get brought into eternal and blissful oneness, very similar to early Christian conceptions of heaven. Unlike in Christianity, this is shown as an inhuman and horrible thing.
>>23401416Having themes or concepts similar to Christian ones doesn’t mean it engages with Christian philosophy, retard.
>>23393333If you think novels have deep messages you are at most a 110 IQ (lacking the mental horizon to understand just *why* they almost never are) and almost certainly a woman, who empirically are much more into reading, coding it as an effeminate pastime and interest.>>23393873Your favorite novel is Lolita. I don't care about the rest you are saying.
>>23401509I've never understood why one would read novels for "meaning" or "message". The novel can just make shit up to support whatever conclusion the author wants. The novel is about expanding your imagination. People are insecure about the practical use of this, so they make up other reasons to read like "social responsibility" or "empathy".
>>23392885I don't know, man... For me that sounds like >there was no way for Shinji to be happy >reset the timeline >introduce random generic anime waifu >make her marry Shinji
>>23394342The messiah (Shinji, who at the end, when being crucifixed, forgives all humanity)The apocalipsis in general (The end of evangelion has a lot of similarities, like the rapture or the seas turning red)Fallen angels (Genesis 6)Eve and Adam (Adam was the first live being on earth, Eve is a clone of Adam)CrucifixionFruits of life and knowledge (The moons of Adam and Lilith)Magi system (Which is formed by 3 computers, each with the name of each magi that, according to catholics, visited Jesus)The lance of longinus (Longinus was the guy who pierced Jesus's dead body with his lance)Tree of SephirothOf course the universe of Evangelion is not a christian universe. It takes elements from christianity to mix them with science fiction and create an unique story.
>>23401593Sure but the show goes out of its way to state that it's dealing with *fictionalized* apocrypha, not Christianity per exegesis
>>23401792ohhhh, i didn't realize it was fiction. thanks for pointing that out
Literally Infinite Jest
>>23401841And apocrypha
>>23387997>What the hell? What did I do to you?They are just soured and brittle old hags (or faggots, which is the same thing) who are jealous of bandaged Rei and spicy Asuka>>23395026Thank you anon
>>23401792Read my last sentence. >Of course the universe of Evangelion is not a christian universe. It takes elements from christianity to mix them with science fiction and create an unique story.
>>23388006Ikr? I've only ever seen seething and perpetually disillusioned midwits faff this opinion about - Eva is most definitely a Christian anime, because in order to be Christian, you don't simply have to rely on imagery - it's the motifs as well. The story is distinctly theological at a level not even Anno realized.
I feel like I'm the only one on this board that has read Blood Music by Greg Bear. The last part is the most similar thing to the end of Eva i've ever seen
evangelion is just shrek 2 for mentally deranged weebs since the entire story solely hinges on miscommunication between the protagonists that causes them to drift apart.
>>23387961novels dont usually have pictures in them so, probably not
>>23390166>burn it down and don’t worry about the story itself enduringSo am I letting Wagner down if I go read it then?
>>23387965Gendo Ikari spotted.
>>23402773No, he changed his mind just like Anno.
>>23401416The thing is that after returning to oneness, individuation happens again.
>>23401509You're not intelligent, so let go of your "analysis" and "insight"; you can barely understand what you're talking about. I wasn't the one advocating for insightful messages in my Chinese cartoon made for teenagers; the other anon did.>Your favorite novel is LolitaI wonder how you came up with this brilliant conclusion. You must be one of those idiots who thinks everyone posting here is the same person.It's
>>23401593None of those are “philosophical ideas” you midwit, those are just aesthetic elements/symbols.
>>23402435We know straight from the creators mouths that they just though the symbols looked exotic, they have zero idea about christianity.
>>23393398bruh moment
Attack on titan is a better adaptation of evangelion but with a poor ending. Its a total upending of the mecha genre and a lesson on how to tell a good anime story while merging the most relevant themes of the modern age into a coherent narrative. Its a good example of how to write fantasy while being inspired by science fiction.
>>23392920>mecha battleThis is bad because?
>>23387961>Are there any?Yes, and its called F*nn*g*ns W*ke
>>23403543AoT shonenshit
>>23403674Yes its shonen but it has some impressive execution into the ideas of fascism as opposed to evangelion which just talks about responsibility then towards the end fumbles about with rebirth and incarnation which is executed rather vaguely.
>>23403744>it has some impressive executionNo, it doesn't.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6wtDPVkKqI
>>23403816https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgl38ByFUSQ
>>23403831powerful
bump
>>23387997>Also Eva is not a Christian anime, it just has Christian symbolism because it’s cool to the japs.Doesn't mean you can't have a Christian interpretation of it.
>>23387961https://youtu.be/NO8pLlbCr6I?si=37j3crngN8C5E91U&t=1941
>>23392885The rebuild was good but I still didn’t like the part where anno just added a self insert of his wife into the story as a new character that never existed before in any of the million iterations of the cycle Shinji had to go through just so Shinji could be with her in the end. That was the stupidest part of the entire rebuild.
>>23406550I'm glad that I have never, and will never, watch any of the Rebuild movies, and thus have no clue what you're talking about.
>>23406550Eva is an I-novel so it actually makes perfect sense. >>23387961Which is also why the closest thing would be something like Shiga Naoya, Dazai or Toson Shimazaki.
