Grandpa's War Trophies EditionPost your Peepaw's trophy that was saved from the boomers.Previous Thread: >>61591532
Posted in the last thread but I forgot we were at bump limit:>>61641676Fellow WAfag. This shit sucks. The Euros have better laws than us even with surp collecting.>>61642588Bruh, name and shame. Those are antiques. What faggot is throwing away pieces of a 120+ year old antique? Inb4 it's Cabelas.
>>61643464>1 BIDS>I KNOW WHAT I GOT SONNY
>>61643358>casually slinging around 3 MP40s and 2 MG42s>I can't so much as look in the general direction of some goat herders AK This is why we can't have nice things.
What should I bid for a Swede 94-14 ?
>>61643480I don't know which shop, some other anon repeated the Swiss rifle story here maybe 3 or 4 weeks ago. I am not a WAfag, but VA almost got turned into fucking NJ overnight, so we might not be far behind y'all :(.
>>616439531000
>>61644109VA is too close to DC. I'd look into moving.
>>61643615>Starting bid: $1800>Buy now price: $2000>0 bids 5h remaining
>>61644445>RARE Hi Point Yeet Cannon NOT M1 GARAND NOT SVT-40 GEWEHR 43 NOT K98K NOT AR15 NOT AK47
Why do they keep doing this to meI really *shouldn't* buy a glorified steel pipe for a thousand bucksHowever
>>61644741>implyingAmericans would start another civil war if they could buy full auto pipes for $1000.
>>61644771It's semi, I'm not giving cops warranty-free access to my home 24/7 in exchange for a full auto pipe lol.
>>61644786>give cops access to your home>blast the most kawaii uguu shit possible while touring the cops around in your underwear
>>61644786>open bolt>semi onlyHehehehehehe
>>61645235kekLocal cops are extremely chill but I really can't be assed doing all the hoops the hyper autistic collector guys do to keep their select fire shit.>>61645290It says so on the label :^)(FWIW it's way harder to find an open bolt semi conversion that DOESN'T burst fire regardless of whether you want it to or not.)
So I recently scored a good deal on a Yugo K98 because it needed sOmE aSsEMbLy rEqUiReD 0_o
>>61645749>k98>assembly requiredWas the seller retarded?
>>61645749I love getting deals because people can't solve simple problems
>>61645749>butt absolutely mint>bayonet lug absolutely MUNTEDDamn.Grease your guns uniformly for long term storage my niggas.>>61645841Do you have Asperger's by any chance, Anon?
>>61645749>>61645841Seriously though, I got it as a barreled receiver with complete bolt for $300. I already had the brand-new Yugo K98 stock. I got it a few years ago for $100. So after a few misc. parts purchases, I'm probably around $600 total. Not bad IMO, especially since it came with a brand new .308 barrel to install when this one dies.
>>61645875Bayo lug is actually fine. It was just covered in cosmoline in that pic.
Theres a guy selling a sjogren shotgun on armslist for 1300 near me, think its worth it?
>>61645889I want a .308 mauser
Somebody call?
>consigned rifle to simpson LTD>for some reason it isn't selling>1 month passes>go on reddit /r/milsurp>"hey guys I'm looking at a rifle on simpson ltd, are they trustworthy? It seems like too good to be true deal">sells immediately the next dayhehe i've done the same when i've consigned things with LSB on gunbroker, the 20% commission is worth it since gunbroker already charges 6% and they fetch prices 30-40% higher than i could myself
>>61645971Hey i saw that exact same gun (weird red aftermarket buttpad) at auction a month ago the fucker outbid me at $1100If he's selling it for $1300, then it probably doesn't work and he's trying to break even
>>61647094Small world, I dm'd him and he said he had to replace the recoil spring but that its good to goThink its worth what he is asking?
>>61643464Eat dick wimp..
Ill keep postin till someone answers, but has anyone been to the Antique Arms Show in Vegas and is it worth it? I'd at least make a whole Vegas trip out of it and be there not just for the show. Wondering what experience folks have had at that show.
>>61647275>"it only needs a new recoil spring"Yeah and this mustang "only needs some new sparkplugs"Ask him why he's selling it only after 4 weeks, he clearly knew what it was when he bid $1100 on it so don't settle for some dumb excuse like "i didn't know it only took 2 1/2" shells"
>>61648100Said he had a buddy that is collecting the battfield one guns and was gonna trade him, but the friend didnt want one that was modified but he has no interest in danish guns so is just trying to sell it for what he has in it
>>61648404>someone drops $1100 + premium + tax + shipping on the off chance his friend is going to trade for something good, then gives up after 1 monthOR>flipper finds out that the rare gun he bought is actually in poorer mechanical shape than he original thought, and wants to unload it quickly less than a month later
>>61648511You really think people would tell lies on the internet?
>>61648404>buddy collecting bf1 gunshis friend has the one and only Luger rifle known in existance? A mondragon? a Seldbstlader 1916? is friend is out here collecting shit like the Fedorov Automat?Yea, no, he fucked up and its trying to offload
>>61648694Kek, this.
>>61648694Don't forget the hellriegel
>>61648694You can collect guns from media without trying to 100% it
I usually just follow the boomer ruleset, and it's never failed me for avoiding scams.>ask for either photos or a video call to see the gun>talk with the seller for a while to get a feel>if possible, meet up to do the transactionIf they get weird about showing you the gun or talking, it's definitely a scam.
>>61650462Local armslist means anon would be meeting in person, so it wouldn't be a "send money" scam, but instead a guy trying to offload a lemon
>>61643878Bring back war trophy taking to fix the recruitment numbers.Hire me, Department of Defense.
For 8mm, would y'all recommend Prvi Partizan or Sellier Bellot? I've heard slightly better things about SB, but PP is seemingly a bit cheaper
>>61651874They're both pretty meh, plinking grade ammo.Brass is not great for reloading (Prvi brass used to be good but went to shit in the last decade for some reason).
>>61651874Just stock up on milsurp. Turk and """Greek"""" are fine in a bolt action. For semi auto, just use anything else like Yugo, Romanian, Czech, and so on.
>>61651969What's wrong with reloading Prvi? I've been saving their brass for reloading for a while.
>>61652013>8mm>milsurpHaven't seen anything in years except corrosive Romanian steel cased shit that is barely cheaper than S&B brass in bulk.>>61652038Soft brass, inconsistent necks, loose primer pockets pretty soon.
>>61652049Is there a brand more ideal for reloading then?
>>61652073Well ideally you'd buy Lapua or Norma brass but they're fucking expensive lol.Fortunately I accumulated a lot of Lapua brass during my DMR days because I sure as fuck wouldn't want to buy it with my own money.
>>61652080>but they're fucking expensive lolThere's no way to mitigate the massive money hemorrhage of a hobby this is huh.
>>61652049It's not about being cheaper. Commercial 8mm is weak as fuck.
>>61652635>surplus 8x57 is expensive, corrosive and causes more wear on the already old as fuck /msg/ gunsWow, amazing, what are the upsides though?
>>61652049>Haven't seen anything in yearsRecently (and still up) ONE seller on GB listed over 7k rounds of various surplus 8mm. I'm guessing from a boomer estate. Surplus 8mm is EVERYWHERE online, for a decent price too. That is, unless, you're a leaf or Euro.
>>61653401>burgers hogging all the 8mmIt's not fair...
>>61650456>he doesnt collect everything from World of Gunsngmi
>>61653136>wearI wish this boomer meme would die. Your gun is never going to wear out in your lifetime.
>>61653504Its a fun game but theres several details wrong with alot of models
>>61651969Is there a decent, non-corrosive round out there?>>61652013I'm definitely getting surplus to stock up on, but I'd rather have non-corrosive for more everyday use. I've heard so many horror stories about not properly cleaning rifles after corrosive rounds that using surp rounds stresses me the hell out. I've used them, I've cleaned my rifle fine, but it still don't like shooting surplus ammo if I can help it
>>61654316Most of whats already been mentioned ITT is decent 8mm.When you say "every day use" do you mean hunting? or just plinking and funsies because PPU is perfectly fine or S&B. No need to get fancy unless youre up to fancy things in which case reload.
>>61654347Mostly just plinking for fun, maybe some hunting here or there. I usually hunt with more modern rifles, but I could see hunting with surp being fun
>>61653790Depends what it is and how much you shoot it. You'd be right if it's a bolt action you take out one day a year and put 20-30 rds down range with it.Some people use some of these guns for competition though, especially stuff like the K31s, Garands, 03A3s, etc. so high round counts are definitely more of a concern over a long period of time. Also semi autos have more parts that encounter wear/breakage. Same especially with pistols where you have to worry about the metal becoming brittle from the recoil over a span of 50+ years. P38s, especially post war are notorious for this if not properly fed/taken care of.All that said, the parts most likely to wear out are springs and extractors, probably long before you're going to shoot out a barrel, but it's still not unlikely to need to replace some of those parts over the course of 20-30 years.
>>61653790Even if a bore is at the point of wearing out, you can just buy a surplus or brand new barrel (for example, Walther Lothar makes them for K98's and Gewehr 98s to military contours) and have a smith install it, or god forbid buy some cheap tools and learn to DIY.
>>61643480Different anon, but coincidentally my local FFL did get a bunch of schmidt rubins in last month. I would be very disappointed to know it was them, but whatever, liability is liability. Should've provided them with the 6rd mags.
>>61646083So, a winchester model 70?
>>61653401eh? generally, if new factory ammo is available, who would want to shoot inconsistent grouping/corrosive surpluss shit? exept the flawless gp11 of course.8mm and most other old calibers if not too exotic are produced by ppu, s&b, geco fmj cheapo. and in every load/bullet combo imaginable for hunting by other manufacturers. esp. 8mm is a comon hunting round in middle europe.when doing private gun trades with austrian/geman boomers, surplus ammo often comes with it as a goodie, because its crap.i sell that crap immideatly. the lotta on top has a "Deutsches Reich" bounty stamp in the buttstock
>>61655486>>61646083or maybe a remington 700?
>>61654436Then literally what ever is cheapest
>>61655576It was cz 550 for me. Would've got the ruger if I knew it existed.
Cheaper options include the Chilean M1912-61 short rifles.
>>61654543Literally the only part I've had break/wear out on one my milsurps is the extractor on my M1917 which was a common thing to break even in 1917. Metal doesn't just become brittle over time with use, unless you can shoot at a sustained rate similar to that of a machine gun it doesn't get hot enough for significant change.
>>61655714>Literally the only part I've had break/wear out on one my milsurpsAnd have you lived a life time? Have you owned your milsurp for 50 years yet?Thus far in the 10 years I've been collecting, I've had to replace a STEN firing pin, a Luger firing pin, a Luger trigger spring, a Gew98 firing pin spring, an M1 carbine extractor, and an SVT-40 recoil spring. Granted, these were firearms with owners before me, but that's kind of the point. You can't guarantee the firearm has been maintained properly for the first 70+ years of its life before you owned it any more than you can ascertain how many rounds have been through it. Claiming that a milsurp will "never wear out in your lifetime" is too broad of a generalization considering most of what we're collecting is near 100 years old, never had any intention in its design to last longer than maybe 5-20 years in service, and my experience of parts wearing out conflicts with yours.
Rare 9mm conehammer, or antique relined and ruined by bubba?
Emergency bump
>>61653401Surplus 8mm used to be shipped to your house for 2-3c per round. A lot of the machine gun boomers have giga stockpiles from those times.
>>61659456>stockpile 8mm surp for a MG>it has hard primers
Hi /msg/, I haven't been here for a while.Is it safe to assume a chinese /26\ sks with no import marks within the correct serial range could be a Vietnam bring back?Pic related
>>61660943Possibly, but there's also other stuff like Albanian use.
For someone just starting out to reload surp calibers. which is an easy one to reload and learn the basics from? Im guess .30 cal for an M1/1917/03 because of availability of parts (brass,bullets dies) and lots of load data?What in your guys' opinions is a good surp reloading progression?
>>61661867>baby's first reload tier45-70 Govt (literally impossible to mess up with black powder)>easy peasy with a press tier30.06, 308, 7.7 jap, 303 brit, 54r, etc>it's getting tricky tierObscure loads that require you to cast your own lead (e.g. 43 Spanish, literally anything Dutch, etc)>hard mode tier577-450 from scratch.>Dante Must Die tier38 Nagant while getting the crimp just right.
>>61662150>Obscure loads that require you to cast your own leadThe most based tier.>>61661867as the anon above said pretty much go with a progression of whats still widely available, has good load data and least mired in fuddlore. If you have a modern caliber like 9mm you can even do some handloads to practice the basics with.
>>61660943gonna fix that crack in the stock?
Which remington rand is worth $1000?
>>61662588It holds up fine. If it starts growing I will, I don't need to mess with it otherwise
>>61652635Isn't S&B pretty full power?
>>61662605So which one is worth less? On the right, of course.
>>61662644why not just fix it now? it be a easy fix just use wood glue and clamp it
>>61648694Fedorov Avtomats do exist on the collector market at least, same with the Luger carbines (not the rifle though)
>>61662150>it's getting tricky tier>Obscure loads that require you to cast your own lead (e.g. 43 Spanish, literally anything Dutch, etc)I think even stuff that has no published data available for it counts as tricky for someone just starting out
>>61664134That's not too bad. Just start low (not crazy low and give yourself a squib) and work up until you're near the intended military FPS.
>>61662150>Elder God tearrolling your own copper cases and making your own cordite
>french revolvers go from selling at $1600 during peak covid to $275The milsurp market, IT'S OVERLe marché pour les milsurps, C'EST FINI
>>61664637I was toying with an idea anons, plz tell me if I'm retarded. Lots of people cast their own bullets, but what if an industry was built around home-shell production? Cartridge factories aren't THAT complicated- why not scale it down? Have a sheet of brass, cut out circle discs, and progressively put them through dies, till the proper shape is formed. Aside from finishing touches- that's all there is to it. Why can't someone have everything needed to do that in a garage? I imagine a hydraulic press/machine that takes about the same space as a car. Obviously you won't be cranking out thousands of cases an hour like a factory- but with an extremely rare cartridge (like 6mm Navy) it might be worth it. And obviously the whole setup wouldn't be "cheap" but it would practically pay for itself over time- especially if you got the FFL for ammo production and sold some to other desperate-for-rare-ammo anons.
>>61664881Just don't be a pedo and you will be fine
>>61664881>but with an extremely rare cartridge (like 6mm Navy) it might be worth it>6mm Lee Navy>>61662478
>>61664881I mean..sure? if you have the space, money and skill you can literally tool up to do all sorts of shit for any number of hobbies
>>61664881unnecessary as a whole. Even the most obscure calibers have existing parent cases or cases similar enough you can work on and are doable. Will it have varying degrees of difficulty involved? yes, but it wouldnt require a full fabrication set-up as you describe.So are you being retarded? only slightly. One could, with the space and skills scale down and have brass fabrication capabilities in their garage, But the types that do load obscure calibers requiring case work can do so still with tabletop tools
>>61664637Why stop there. Make your own gunpowder with your fireplace ash and frequently peed on straw in the backyard.
What’s the most you would spend on an Argentine Mauser? I’m looking at getting one of those as my next rifle
>>61664860idk what it is I just have zero interest in French revolvers. I want a Lebel M93 pretty badly, but literally no other French guns interest me whatsoever.
>>61664860What do you mean it over? Isn't it good that there cheaper so people who actually want them can obtain them at a price there more willing to pay.
The meetup was fun!
>>61668263depending on condition I would say maybe $700 max
>>61664860OVER? More like WE'RE SO BACK!
>>61664860That's what I got mine for back in like 2021. The L series ones were the last ones made in the 20s. Retards are still paying a ton for antique dated ones.I still haven't shot mine. :(((( I want to, but I ain't putting that Fiocchi crap in my gun. So many have bulged barrels from that trash.
>>61643358I have found out about the existence of American Enfields that are chambered in an American round, .30-06. suddenly I want it. There are not a lot of them out on the internet. Prices are all over the place. I'm wondering a couple things:1, why do some listings say its capacity is 4 rounds, 5 rounds or 6? Isn't it really just 5?2, these Enfields were made by three companies, eddystone, Winchester and Remington. What are the differences and which one is best?3, how much should I pay for one?
WHY IS AN UNMOLESTED SPANISH FR8 IMPOSSIBLE TO FIND?
>>61669513M1917s are easy enough to find. Eddystones are the most plentiful.>>61669527Any Mauser in .308 gets raped hard by bubba.
>>61669485>I still haven't shot mine. :(((( I should want to like the mle 92's, since they have one of the best manual of arms of the euro revolvers, but I've never found an accurate load that works for them. Slow powder, fast powder, black powder; plated bullets, lead bullets, they all have garbage accuracy in the two mle 92's i owned>I want to, but I ain't putting that Fiocchi crap in my gun. So many have bulged barrels from that trash.Yes be very careful and bring a brass rod + hammer to the range, fiocchi squibbed for me too
>>61669513The capacity is 6. You load with 5 rounds in a stripper clip then can add one more.Eddystone are the most plentiful and depending on condition can go for usually 700-1k. Winchester and Remington you pay the fudd tax so theyll ask higher. There are no differences between a Win/Rem and Eddystone so unless you want specifically a Winchester or a Remington, buy an Eddy when you see one decently priced.
>>61669513You may want to watch C&Rsenal vids if you suddenly get interested in a gun. Some seethe at him for making guns more expensive, but he gives good info.
>>61669513>some listings say its capacity is 4 rounds, 5 rounds or 6?The magazine can hold 6 rounds, a quirk resulting from the rifle's previous incarnation as the .303-caliber Pattern 1914. The switch from the wide rimmed .303 cartridge to the narrower rimless .30-'06 left so much extra space in the magazine box that a sixth round could fit without issue. >What are the differences and which one is best?Remington & Eddystone-made rifles are very similar because they waited to begin production until the M1917 specifications for parts interchangeability were standardized. Winchester jumped the gun and began making rifles before standardization, which resulted in the pre-January 1918 Winchester rifles being kept Stateside during WW1 and never seeing combat. Even after Winchester was corrected their rifles have some minor differences in the shape of certain non-critical features. >how much should I pay for one?Depends on how "original" the rifle is. Many M1917s were disassembled. re-built and/or refurbished post-WW1 and parts were mixed and matched without concern as to keeping all the parts from each manufacturer together. Many rifles were also re-built during WW2. For most of the M1917's production bluing had been the standard finish for all metal parts, but Parkerizing became the standard metal finish on US rifles late in WW1 and when M1917s were re-built they were all Parkerized as well, so finding rifles retaining their original bluing is uncommon and those usually command a premium over rifles that are Parkerized. Generally speaking, the value of a M1917 goes up the closer it is to its original factory condition i.e. all the parts on the rifle are maker-marked to the same manufacturer, and the parts have the type of metal finish that would have been applied by the original manufacturer. Winchester also commands a premium over the other two because Boomers. Low end $600 for WW2 refurb, high end $1500 for WW1-correct non-refurb.
bump, today I'm meeting a guy to see his k31 that he is selling.
>>61669862>Remington & Eddystone-made rifles are very similar because they waited to begin production until the M1917It's because Eddystone was simply Remington's second facility.
>>61671763>It's because Eddystone was simply Remington's second facility.Both factories had been producing the P14 rifle for the British and those rifles’ parts were considered sufficiently different -and not interchangeable- for the Brits to identify them separately as Pattern 1914(r) and Pattern 1914(e) so spare parts from each factory could be supplied to the rifles manufactured by that factory. It was a huge fiasco and the Brits wasted millions of pounds on the P14.
>>61671064Whats with the lighting at your place your pics always look like they are just super high quality GI Joe guns.
>>61672498I mounted a cheap flash onto my old camera and I turn it towards the ceiling while taking a photo. the flash bounces off the walls and it eliminates hard shadows. The results should look better than my photos but my ceiling is wood and my camera a bit too old. If you use a white background you can make neat stuff like pic rel which looks like it came out from a magazine ad.
>>61672995lightyears ahead of me anon I just throw my shit on the carpet, turn on the light and hope my toes arent in the shot.
>>61669603That's also because of the Pre-1898 receiver law. Great way to have a sportered Mauser in a common caliber shipped to your house if the seller isn't gay about it. Always found it funny that you can also have two Finn M39 Mosins sitting next to each other on a table, and because one of them has a tang date of 1891-1897, it's legally speaking not a gun.
>>61673288>hope my toes arent in the shot.Mine always are but I photoshop them out
>>61673324remember though in most no fun allowed states they modified this with additional language that excludes pre-98s if they accept center fire ammunition from "its not a gun" rule. Essentially for the anons in no-fun states even if its pre-98 its gonna need to be rimfire or a BP muzzle loader
>>61673433I'm well aware certain states like to defy federal law in the interest of being even more gay and restrictive. I grew up in New Jersey and suffered empty-handed while my cousins in pre-2012 Connecticut got a head start buying center fire antiques.
>>61673324That's what my first gun was. A Brazilian 1894 rechambered in 7.62x39 with a scope and bubbastock. Young me had no idea what I was getting myself into.
>>61673757That’s awesome, how did it function?
This is my inheritance form my grandfather who collected mainly civil war and other late 1800’s weapons. This is only half of that he had, the other half went to my uncle. When I get back form work I’ll let you all know what all I have/ he had.
>>61662150>>61674092Related to my last post, what is a way to get 56-50 or 52-50 rimfire brass? And also 50-70 brass/ammo
>>61673288>hope my toes arent in the shot.>>61673341>Mine always are but I photoshop them out/k/ has truly fallen.
>>61674426Go be a footfag on the Discord; it’s why it exists.
>>61674426dig hard enough in the archives from around 2009-10 and you'll find a picture of my tigr with my soon to be hairy toes in the bottom. I have standards now, to see my toes you must offer me dinner or range ammo first.
>>61674426Go stick your dick in an M1 action then if you're such a traditionalist
>>61674840Wasn't it an SKS?
Is it a soft point thing? Never had this with this gun before with the ppu fmj I exclusively shot until now that I've run out. It only happened once so maybe it's just a normal fuck up but never had this before
>all this talk about .308 MausersSpeaking of them, what's the consensus on the 308 converted Spanish 1916 ones? Should I avoid shooting 308 out of them, and is normal M80 ball fine for them? >>61675503>Is it a soft point thing?Yep, M1s hate soft point.
>>61643358I've got some of my grandpa's war trophies, they had someone like his wife or girlfriend or something on them so I replaced them with something nicer and less weird than a dead man's love interestmiss you grandpa
>>61675804.308 IS 7.62NATO. They use the same bullets, the same powder and cases at best will be slightly thinner but in reality the manufacturers aren't going to have two different production lines so they are the same too.
>>61675811this is what GIs in WW2 died for
>>61675811
>>61675811This unironically when my grandkids find all my anime mags
>>61675866I thought .308 Win tends to be spicier than normal M80. Probably would still avoid since it's a small ring mauser and all. Plus I got a shit ton of that German blue plastic training ammo, and feeds pretty well into it.
>>61674593Something nice about a PU, simple to operate and zero. I enjoy mine.
>>61661723Still would have an import mark.
>>61674092Your grandpa was a man of good taste.>>61674109>56-50Starline>50-70 brassStarline whenever they're in stock>52-50 rimfireDixie Gun Works whenever they're in stock
>>61676111>>61674593I never understood how to zero pu scopes
>>61675946>I thought .308 Win tends to be spicier than normal M80.It is but probably negligibly so, I have definitely bombarded targets with my 7.62 SLR using surplus and .308 interchangeably
My mauser has bright orange streaks in the barrel, no matter how much I scrub them they won't come off and they won't color orange the patches as they keep coming off black. Is this normal?
>>61678286This guy's decade old video is the best on the subject. He explains how to adjust a repro PU scope with turrent clicks and a static reticle, and another more historically correct repro with no clicks and a reticle that moves:https://youtu.be/pH9E3bAtKvU?si=4q5iAOEqLd1QkXRV
>>61679271thank you
>>61676111is shimming the mount worth it just to have the reticle in the center of the scope?
>>61674593is that scope real or repro? which manufacturer?
>>61679152>he bought a gun that the previous owner shot Cheetos throughI'm sorry, but your gun is going to literally decompose due to being too cheesy. I'll buy it off you for $50 though.
>>61679152Copper?
>>61643358>Grandpa's War Trophies EditionNot my grandpa's if anybody interested. I have a Mauser from a backwoods pawn shop. Owner said Korean war vet died and their boomer meth head kid said they were told it was a bring back from Korea. No papers to prove it so it was priced like a run of the mill Mauser for $300 during peak rona. No import markings. Serial range puts it as fn30 shipped to China. Stock has some weird ass cartouche carved into it.
>>61679991Papers don't add value IMO
>>61680007They're also often fake. A friend's wife once talked him out of buying a Luger at a show because she could tell the capture documents were mocked up in the 80s, she restores and sells old typewriters for fun.
>>61679967if I leave ballistol in the bore for days the patches do come out green, but I bought it months ago and after months of scubbing it's still there. I'm tempted to leave them there
>>61675503Look at these feed ramps and think for a minute lol.JK but yeah M1s don't like short SP very much.
>>61680164For scrubbing, are you using a bore snake or a metallic brush of some kind? You're not just using patches to clean the bore, are you? If that's the case, then yes, it will take you a very long time to clean out anything more than a light dusting of carbon.
>>61680236I'm using normal copper/brass brushes and patches
>>61680164Have you tried using a cleaning solvent specifically for copper fouling? I know there's a lot of gimmicky bullshit out there, but Birchwood Casey Bore Scrubber has worked for me
>>61680315I tried ballistol, hoppes and forrest bore foam
>>61679619yeah it's real, I can't remember the name of the factory but it has the hammer and sickle inside a pentagram
Anyone have some advice on removing rusted shut screws without damaging them? I purchased a Type 38 with some rust damage and the screws are in there good.
>>61680007Yeah I was never a fan of papers and only just casually ask. I wouldn't pay more for it. There's specific firearms that could only be bring backs.>>61680137As fake as a Mitchel's Mauser. I know what I got
>>61680137>They're also often fakethey're fake when I'm buying, real when I'm selling.Simple as.
LGS has a genuine k98k for $1599, good deal or no?
>>61681041Wd40 on the metal parts. Soak it overnight or keep soaking it a few days and then use the proper sized screwdrivers.
>>61681080Holy shit that date and somebody just mentioned a Mitchell's. Your gun shop you work at? Hard pass if serious. It's a "bubbaed" Yugo m48 made to be "German k98". Nothing on it would be German or even ww2
Anyone knows about any cool officer coat to wear daily? Nothing to flashy with bright colors, too many patcher or medals but distinguishable enough that you can tell its military.
>>61681109but it has a certificate of authenticity, look in the top of the picture
>>61681089alright I will keep soaking it with WD40 and try removing the screws again in a few days.
>>61681126Can't tell if retarded or trolling.>Certificate of Authenticity>"Original teakwood stock"The Germans and Yugoslavians never used teak. The Yugo's specifically used Elm wood. The whole certificate is utterly ridiculous and sounds like it was written by a 18 year old just getting into milsurps who did 15 mins with of googling.
>>61681162>>61681109You're being trolled Anon.
>>61681162>The Germans and Yugoslavians never used teakhow was i supposed to know this anon it's not written in the wikipedia and youtube doesn't say anything about teak or elm im not some wood expert
>>61681080Holy shit, it has a certificate of authenticity. Those were likely written by the Nazis themselves, and are just as good as capture papers. Literally doubles to triples the value of the rifle, and for that, $1,599 is a STEAL. Buy it NOW or you'll be kicking yourself for the rest of your life.
>>61681080Ouch, Mitchell's Mausers. Run far away, they ruined a lot of rifles in the pursuit of sheckels. Hope they went under.
>>61681080>As seen on History Channel
What's a good bid for a mismatched 08 9x19mm converted steyr 1912 if i just want a shooter?
How the hell are you supposed to install a 1903 front sight protectorI tried just pushing it down but I think I won’t be able to get it to snap into place without crushing the hood part
>>61683126Well, I owned a chromed finish 9mm converted one that I think I got for around ~$1000. I figured that was a great deal. Fun to shoot. Sadly I ended up selling it for like 250 bucks because I was desperate. This was years ago though. Nowadays, from what I've seen, a shooter steyr-hahn in 9mm would probably go for $1300-1900+ depending on condition/FOMO
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>>61680328but were they actually specified for removing copper and not some multi purpose clr like picrel?
>>61684236>chromed finish>~$1000My condolences, someone fucked you over for a GI bring back pimped out trophy.
>>61684310I was a sophomore in high school in a nogunz state in 2009, but they were charging $400 for their botched abortions when a typical RC K98k was still $250. So many people got these as their first milsurps thinking they were legit, sad.
What type of wood was used for the spanish mausers? I think they are absolutely gorgeous.
Does anyone ever experience buyers remorse after winning an auction? Or is it just me
>>61684832Not really. I've yet to win something that I truly regretted. Everything I've been seriously interested enough to bid on has merit and I'm at least somewhat happy to own. What have you been regretting?
>>61684774That's Walnut
>>6168483I've only had wallet pain
>>61681120for what purpose? get a nice jacket from REI, Filson, Kuhl or any other reputable clothing line.Remember you wont look cool in that no matter what you think if you wear a milsurp coat
>>61683925Are you using an original or repro? Repros sometimes are made from heavier gauge sheet steel and don’t want to flex very much. The installation is exactly as you describe tho: push it straight down from the top.
>>61684433>Someone fucked you over for a GI bring back pimped out trophy.Eh, maybe a little, but I knew what I was getting- and just like now, back then, 9mm luger converted Steyr-Hahns were very uncommon. I know a lot of people are extremely snobbish about refinishing jobs like that, but I didn't care- it was clean and looked fine to me, it was fun to shoot, and I could larp as a pimp.
How badly did I fuck up /msg/
>>61688360Depends on the buyer premium and taxBut if you love it then price wont matter
>>61688360625 isn't a bad price at all
>>61688452>>61688483premium 15% no tax total $720 invoice price + shipping (havent got quote yet)
>>61688564That's a 9x19 conversion too? Shit dude, under $800 with the premium you did great. Unconverted ones go for that much by me. Enjoy it.
>>61688647It's mismatched and refinished though, i got too excited by the P08 stamp I didn't check to see if it was matching (dumb mistake)>Unconverted ones go for that much by meon gunbroker there are a couple that have sold cheap cheap recently
>>61688794Most of those are 9x23. If you got a 9x19 conversion then you did pretty well.
>>61690635What's with the eagle on the Gew43 stock? Did someone inlay that?
>>61690849Extra authentic super ultra rare never before seen eagle stock inlaid by Hitler himself sonny only 3 ever done before he shot himself. $92,000 firm I know what I got.
>>61691791jfc, I stopped counting how many examples of "Hitler's silverware captured from EAGLE'S NEST" I've seen at shows.
>>61691868Sometimes I wonder if the boomers are being intentionally malicious or if they're just so retarded that they genuinely believe it's worth that much
>>61692021in my experience its a bit of this: There are ones who genuinely believe the shit behind their stuff because they most likely misinterpreted a thing 50 years ago and never bothered to check on it so they took it at face value and are too old/stubborn to see they were wrong.Others a being dumb and cant operate a smartphone well enough to check Wikipedia for 5 minutes to see they are wrong.Others are lead poisoned level of retarded but not in a way that's purposefully malicious. They just think it is, so it probably is the rest are for sure being intentionally misleading to get a little extra
>>61692116>most likely misinterpreted a thing 50 years agoThis is common with German combat awards. People forget that at the end of the war, kleiner Hans and Opa were hammering iron crosses and badges together from buckets of spare parts they found to trade with GIs for cigarettes, literal currency for destitute West Germans. Everyone who had the capability to do this, even big firms that made badges during the war, did so in the late 40s and made a black market killing.Fast forward 70+ years. Bob thinks his late father's bring-back medals were torn off surrendering or dead Germans' uniforms, or he knows the truth and just lies about it at shows like most boomerfags do anyway.
What's fair for a Type 38 these days? Assuming it's in decent condition and the usual bolt mismatch.
I've bought 20 guns in the past 3 years and only ONE of them have been from gunbroker
>>61692684it is entirely possible to go thru all of life without buying a single thing from Gunbroker. Some anons unfortunately are not lucky enough to have a good local surp market and/or jump on other online markets to fill the void.
>>61692696>Some anons unfortunately are not lucky enough to have a good local surp market and/or jump on other online markets to fill the void.Last time I bought milsurp at a gunshow / LGS was at least 3 years ago, thoughever
>>61692370I have a friend whose boomer dad and him are very proud of their German heritage and they both brag about a medal his German grandmother was presented by Hitler for "having so many blond haired, blue eyed children." Though the Mother's Cross was a real thing back in that era, when my friend finally showed me the medal, it was not said Mother's Cross. I did some research on what his family had... It was a fake commemorative medal of Adolph Hitler (with the "ph" as Allied countries would use such spelling instead of the German "Adolf") made as a souvenir and sold in some gift shop on a West German military base in the 50s for post war soldiers to bring home and say "haha, I went to Hitler land!" When I told him, my friend had kind of an "oh" reaction like he didn't know what to think, and I don't think he told his dad. His dad probably knows it's fake.
>mfw crsenal releases a video on a gun you have a small collection of>realize othais repeats generic BS and fuddlore>misses the obvious design choices despite having the gun right in front of himg-guys can i trust crsenal for milsurp information anymore?
>>61693055>trusting e-celebs>ever
>>61693055What gun and what did he got wrong about it?
>>61693116why the nagant doesn't have abadie>"muh snags">"muh elegant design choice">"muh accidental opening"nigga it's because the nagant rebound leaves no space for an abadie tab, does this nigga watch his own animations?Also on every revolver episode he gets chamelot mixed out with fagnus with warnant, he only stopped doing this because Othais is a hack who copies his ""research"" from /k/>pic related predates the first time Othais mentions fagnus in any of his videos
>>61693128Just make a video pointing out everything he got wrong and than just link it in his comment section
>>61693143>please support the channel that keeps driving up the prices of the previously no-name guns that i collectNo thank you othais, you can do your own research, not like BF1 zillenials care about historical accuracy anyways
What's your favorite "shitty" surps you own?>PW Arms import 1969 manufacture /26\ SKS that was most likely an Albanian importScrungly as fuck looking on the outside but has cool SOVL trench art and immaculate internals. An absolute tank of a gun and surprisingly accurate for an SKS.>Yugo M24/47Bought sight unseen off J&G for about tree fiddy, described as NRA Good condition with defaced armory markings and missing front sight hood but came in almost pristine condition with intact markings and hood plus the original Yugo armory tag still attached. Super smooth action and very accurate when shooting Yugo spec 8mm
>>61693160Go easy on them gramps. Surely there was a time when you only knew WW2 guns from BF1942 and the Stg-44 was totally in every single battle in the war and also the Japanese used them.
>>61693208>described as NRA Good conditionFrom my experience, any boomer who uses that shit to describe a gun has a rusty stick. Thank fuck you got a good one though. Even with multiple k98s I still love my 24/47.
>>61693160>not like BF1 zillenials care about historical accuracy anywaysYou could say the same for the directors of Battle of the Bulge, Bridge Over the River Kwai, and a litany of other films WW2 vets themselves walked out of because they were so campy and melodramatic. At least Sam Peckinpah didn't shy away from on-screen violence.
>>61693160>BF1Sir I grew up on MOH and I know for a fact every single soldier, even the IJA, had a Welrod.
>>61693055>>61693128I still think Othais has the correct information most of the time, but I knew he was not infallible the first time I heard him and Mae pronounce "Carcano."
>>61693128>>61693160Publish or perish, faggot.
>>61695408"Moshetto carbine"
>>61695604no thanks othais, this isn't TT academia and I don't need to shill surps to zoomers to make a living
>>61686663ssssss-sssss----sssswiiiiiiiii-swiiiii-burp-swisspostain?
>mfw consigned a gun to simpson ltd>they incorrectly described it>ask them to update description multiple times>they do nothing>okay i'll withdraw it and sell elsewhere then>"yeah you have to pay 10% of consignment price + shipping"Fuck simpson ltd i'm never consigning with them againSticking with legacy or LSB from now on
>>61696311I've never heard anything good about consigning with Simpson, and it seems to be one of those sites obsessively patrolled by boomers and (((dealers))) so anything decently priced disappears instantly. Never dealt with Legacy, never heard anyone complain about them either. I'm just a stickler for buying in person *shrug*.
>>61696682Buying vs consigning anonI never buy from either of those sites because most of the stuff they have is retail priceBut i've had good luck consigning at legacy because i can get retail+ for my guns sold there, which is better than trying to sell myself on my <30 feedback gunbroker account. Once you get into the $1000+ range for selling, you get much fewer bites on GB if you don't take credit card
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>>61696091Do you ever like shoot your guns my dude
>>61695836Nice patch.
>>61691791I love thisThere should be a general thread where we all pretend to be boomers at gun shows
>>61698155We sort of had that in the "How do we fix Gunbroker?" thread months ago. Comedy gold.
>won a rifle auction uncontestedKind of an eerie feeling.
>>61699409the boomer that WAS going to outbid you last minute had a heart attack at his 2005 Dell PC before he could click confirm
>>61698155it happens in lots of threads occasionally. The Boomer Forum posts with the hilarious signatures are always a good
>>61674092Finally back, there’s one gun from my grandfathers collection that has me scratching my head and I was wondering if anyone on here might know anything about the rifle. At first glance I thought it was one of two things, a Sears cutdown 1873 trap door or a shotgun convention of the trap door. The problem is that the cartouche on the stock reads 1886 and, there are no rear sights the front sight is a bead. The gun also came with a holster that reads Rock Island Arsenal. Any help is great and I would gladly appreciate it >>61677545damn straight he was, and thanks for the advice on the brass, any where I can get 56-50 rimfire at all? Or am I shit out of luck like with the burnside?
>>61699409it was destiny
>>61699580The wear on that gun looks pretty universal (stock likely not a replacement) and the 1886 cartouche would mean it started life as an 1884 trapdoor originally. I'm willing to bet it's a shotgun conversion because the rear sight was removed and that barrel only has a bead. Have you looked down the bore to see if it's smooth?
>>61699409What was the starting bid price?Only time that happened to me is when opening bid was already close to market
>>61699580>56-50 rimfireYour best bet would be getting a centerfire breech block and swapping em. Starline make centerfire brass or you can convert your own.https://www.buffaloarms.com/spencer-breech-block-sbb.html
>>61694467Yeah, definitely got lucky on the 24/47.Next J&G purchase was a "G-VG condition" Carcano carbine that was so beat up it barely stayed on paper at 25m and the shots that did hit paper keyholed half the time.
>>61699980>opening bid was already close to marketThat was pretty much the same scenario. It was an all matching K98k. Seller took like 70 photos of it and it even threw in a bayonet with a matching scabbard and a sling. Opening bid was just under $1900. It's not a bargain, but in a sea of boomers trying to sell SUPER RARE DOUBLE CODE NAZI MAUSER SNIPER for seven grand, I'm surprised it was overlooked.
>>61700195High starting bids scare away all the bid war fags trying to save a couple bucks.
>>61700317The bid war fag's loss is my gain.
>>61700195>$1900Projectilevomitpepe.jpg
>>61700514I know. Pray that I don't contract K98 collector autism.
>>61700532>Pray that I don't contract K98 collector autism.too late, you bought one. Youll want another. There is always another
>>61700195>all matching K98k>mismatched handguardAnon, don't be disingenuous like that. But still, it was a very nice snag. Definitely would've been on my watch list if I wasn't waiting for either a nice matching K43, a Gewehr 98, or a pre war K98k to pop up since space is pretty limited.
>>61700573>mismatched handguardMY FILTHY SECRET EXPOSED. But thanks anon. I've done my homework, but there's still a lot of nuances to these rifles that I'm not totally familiar with yet, so it means something to me that you also thought it was nice. Best of luck finding your next one. There was actually a really slick 1939 Mauser Oberndorf on proxibid that sold last weekend, but I was too busy to keep an eye on it.
>>61700532Too late anon. It's already terminal.
>>61700640>There was actually a really slick 1939 Mauser Oberndorf on proxibid that sold last weekend, but I was too busy to keep an eye on it.Well shit, I was on a cruise last week so couldn't do anything about that. I'm hoping for a nice matching S/42 or S/237 to pop up for sale, the S codes are just extra cool to me though Imperial stuff has been catching my attention lately. Also, I'd highly recommend picking up a copy of Karabiner 98k by Karem and Steves if you fall down the rabbit hole of K98ks. Volume 2 covers the majority of the war years from 1939 to 1944.
>>61700700Is that an RTI "B grade" lmao
>>61700700>comes with chamber flag
>>61700532>K98 collector autism.How deep does it go? I know Arisakas have all the autism with the Mum and accessories and last ditch, what does Kraut autism entail?
>>61700736Gotta make sure it's safe sonny
>>61700748anon I dont think you understand what youve done by asking this question.
>>61700701Agreed x1,000. Karem and Steves got every autistic Gunboards member with a K98k collection to collab over a decade ago, producing the authoritative text on this rifle as a result. If you are serious about buying more, arm yourself with $250 (for the two middle volumes) of knowledge now that will save you tens of thousands down the road.
>>61700748>what does Kraut autism entailWe're talking about a country that put matching serial numbers on the tiny locking screws designed to hold the action screws in place. Now devote an entire collector field to a nation that OCD about weapons production. Doesn't get much more autistic than that.
>>61700701I bought volume 2 a few weeks ago, but still have a ton of reading to go through. Looking forward to digging deep into it.>>61700720Hand picked.>>61700748>How deep does it go?It's pretty abyssal. For starters if you want a matching rifle, the serial numbers were stamped on nearly every fucking part of the rifle (even the firing pin and certain screws). So if you wanted it to be 100% matching, and wanted to be sure about it, you'd at least need to know where to examine them. But it isn't enough to know where to find them because you also need to be able to tell if some decrepit boomer FAKED them. Since matching K98's fetch such a juicy premium, there are fudds who will buy stamps on the internet and try force matching bolts and other parts. Early war and late war parts are somewhat different and you need to tell if the rifle has the right "consistency" to it for its year of manufacture. So serial numbers aside, the rifles were made by various arsenals that each used different production codes, depending on the year of manufacture, that were stamped on the receivers (see chart). So let's say you're a mid-level autist and you want one of each. That's 30 rifles. Most of them are quite rare. Then there's all the fringe stuff like SS rune stamps and death heads, knowing how to tell if those are faked or not. K98's with scope mounts, but that didn't get scopes. K98's that DID get scopes. The 5 or 6 different kinds of scopes and scope mounts. There's probably a bunch of other crazy shit I don't even know about, but yeah, it's deep.
>>61700825>But it isn't enough to know where to find them because you also need to be able to tell if some decrepit boomer FAKED them.This is not really a thing in Eurofag gun collecting, why the hell is it so common there?
>>61700839This is mostly conjecture, but WW2 was basically Star Wars for the boomer generation and Nazi paraphernalia is like Funko Pops to them. There wasn't much serious historical knowledge about the historical artifacts they liked to collect back in the day, so I'd guess it became seriously lucrative for the more devious ones to fabricate junk and sell it as "super rare" Nazi artifacts. Naturally this would taint the milsurp market since of course people love collecting Lugers and Mausers. Stamp an SS rune on a piece and suddenly you can sell it for another thousand dollars and some gullible sap will definitely buy it. Thank the internet we finally have a reliable body of knowledge for identifying this trash.
>>61699409Do the penny auctions ever stay at a penny and someone wins a gun for 1 cent? What's the policy of sites like Gunbroker if the seller backs out because they don't want to sell a gun for dirt cheap on a no reserve auction?
>>61700839>why the hell is it so common there?This has strong ties to militaria collecting. Boomers who grew up hearing stories from their parents about their entire home country being destroyed tend to care about the history behind the war relics they buy. Compare this to "My father brought these kraut/jerry souvenirs home, now they're mine, buy my SS dagger for 10k firm."Continental European collectors I've met at shows have told me that Brits, Mutts, and Leafs are generally the greediest kikes to deal with in the militaria market. As a Kraut-Mutt myself, I agree with them.You also have the Poles, Czechs, and Ukrainians responsible for dumping ~70% of the fake German shit into the supply chain too. The overall lesson is, greed poisons a collector hobby and it's sad to watch.
Webleybros... cabelas has an unshaved one for $550Should I buy and flip it for $1200?
>>61701044I mean yes it does apply to militaria collecting in general here, just not firearms>>61701045Flipkikes deserve the rope
>>61701075Give it time. It wasn't too long ago that someone in Germany found a bunch of original armorer's stamps while magnet fishing.
>>61696091where I live there are like 5 really nice shooting ranges in 1/2 hr driving distance.but on the rare occasions, when i have time off from work, kids, nagging wife and a lawn to mow, I'm mostly too drunk to drive. but it happens, like twice a year.did someone say k98?
>>61697615meant for>>61701130drunkerd problems, ek se
>>61701045>Texas>Being a flipnigger with gunsCan't say I'm surprised
>>61701130If I lived 30 minutes from five different shooting ranges I'd go sober for the rest of my life and spend the alcohol money on ammo. You're living the dream, couch surp anon.
>>61701151>>61701075>buy gun>play around with it>shoot it a couple times>sell a month later>rinse and repeatI don't see what's the problem?
>>61675811>4 guys shared the same hoeAlmost feel bad for Ivans, almost
>>61701177I live 30 minutes from one really good one and I'm a Eurofag too
This is sort of a milsurp adjacent question but do you guys have any recommendations for an optic for an SL-8? I don't own a single scope for anything because I've always been a surp guy.
>>61701359My go-to recommendation is always a 2-7x VX-1 or 2 Leupold
>>61701177i did that for a while... and i plan to return to my 3 times a week rangetime when the kids are older. >>61701292which country?Im Austriagot a shitty rainy cold spring too lads?
>>61701588FinlandNah it's fucking hot here
>>61701588Weather changing constantly it's a pain in the ass.
>>61701588Overcast and lukewarm in Kek republic, looks like rain's gonna come down soon.
>>61701588>shitty rainy cold spring too lads?Here in north italy it's been 2 days sun with 26° and 3 days storms with 12-13°. On repeat.
>>61701227Collectors in every hobby get hilariously butthurt when you turn a profit.
>>61701808I have the opposite problem most of the time.>catch a [thing] bug>usually something stupidly hard to get locally>go to retarded lengths to get it>it's either not what I expected or I find a better equivalent>now I'm stuck with [thing] that will sell for maybe half of what I spent on it if I'm luckyOnly in the last year it happened with the SUIT (fucking sucks even worse than I remember it) and then the Perst-3 (found a PEQ-15 instead).
>>61701858Idk how things are for imports in Czechistan for imports but marcolmar had abunch of SUITs few years ago. Theres still a few floating around on gb as well
>>61701808I get enough of things designed solely to make money in my video game hobbyI don't want the kikes to invade guns too
The only day I forget to charge my phone and it dies is also the day I get to shoot a couple of rounds with an mp43 just like pic rel. If the guy is still around on the 26th I will post more detailed pictures of the actual rifle.
>>61702596I haven't actually seen one in the wild since I sold mine all these years ago.Managed to snatch it on eBay but it was far more expensive than it used to be ($800 as opposed to something like $350, plus I got reamed out on customs+VAT).
>>61702758It require an emotional support Sturmgewehr.
>>61702758There's an og mp44 near me for sale for 4.5k€ but I already bought too much lately and I can't afford it. I really need a better job
>>61700748>How deep does it go?To expand on >>61700825's point, few rifles changed so much in such little time as the K98k did during its 12 years of service with Nazi Germany. Type 99s are in a similar boat but the fact that they're Nazi rifles puts a large premium plus the relative scarcity of 100% factory matching rifles leads to big money being thrown around and fakes follow where the money goes. Additionally, a super duper high functioning autist will never run out of variations to chase, especially when you get into the weeds of receivers transferred from one manufacturer to another (ar44 receivers completed by Mauser Oberndorf), legitimate depot reworked rifles, SS depot rifles (SSZA4, SSZA2) and ungodly rare codes/variants produced in limited numbers (there's 1 BSW 1936 known to exist in the world) plus all of the differing variants within the standard production (elm stocked byf 43s) makes them a collector/autist's dream. The only martial firearms collecting worse than K98ks are the Luger collectors as Lugers in German service went through 4 different versions of Germany, they were always valuable so fakes are even more common, and all the export models throw fuel to that fire of what you can collect. You can approach those levels of autism in some US firearms like M1 Garands, M1911s, Trapdoor Springfields, etc. but the allure and mystique of Nazi Germany and its firearms really make K98k collecting an expensive and daunting proposition.>>61700791This applies to most higher end collecting where the reference material will save you big time on getting burned on fakes.
>>61701045>Should I buy and flip it for $1200?Get fucked you dumb nigger.
>>61702947>This applies to most higher end collecting where the reference material will save you big time on getting burned on fakes.This is what the majority of BF1 zoomers and millenials will never realizeThey think watching a crsenal or fagotten weapons video is equal to reference material, and then end up overpaying massively. The most hilarious part is when they hop on the forums bragging about "look what i got for $$$ how did i do?" and then get torn apart for being retardedThe not so funny part is its retards like that who end up inflating the prices of bubba'd/mixmaster/refinished guns
>>61703747>"look what i got for $$$ how did i do?"People who get into this for the speculative investing/gambling kind of annoy me. Like dude, you consciously decided X amount of dollars was worth giving for a gun. If you have to ask other people "how you did", then you're admitting you didn't know what you were buying or if you even wanted it. Getting a "bargain" on a RTI rust-n-cum special isn't bragworthy if it isn't something you ever actually wanted to own until you opportunistically saw it and thought you were getting an epic deal. And the savings don't even matter because if you actually plan to shoot your collection, you're going to be bleeding green to get ammo anyway. Conversely, I would respect anyone who had a huge autistic boner for a specific item, did all their research, and consciously overpaid for it because they themselves decided it was worth that much to them.TLDR: Buy things you actually want, know about, and appreciate.
is this lugar holster fake and gay?
>>61701044So are you saying that Europeans care about militaria because it's history that affected them whereas Americans see it more as war trophies to circlejerk over who has the rarest/most valuable?I always did like the WW2 stuff because my family is French and came here to the States as a result of France getting fucked twice. My grandparents would tell me stories of the bombings and the hardships. I collect things that I feel are a part of that history.I will definitely say that of all the collector hobbies that I participate in, guns are the most rife with greed. It's absolutely rampant here in the US to the point that it's sickening.
>>61703868>People who get into this for the speculative investing/gambling kind of annoy me. Like dude, you consciously decided X amount of dollars was worth giving for a gun. If you have to ask other people "how you did", then you're admitting you didn't know what you were buying or if you even wanted it.well how can you fault them when youtuber / tiktok e-celebs told them they need to BUY BUY BUY RIGHT NOW
>>61700700Slightly used condition original WW2 Nazi Black Widow all matching Mauser Sniper rifle used by Hermann Göring's zombie in 1967 $8200 ahnowwuddaygot (bolt not matching)
>>61703868>Conversely, I would respect anyone who had a huge autistic boner for a specific item, did all their research, and consciously overpaid for it because they themselves decided it was worth that much to them.I would do this if I ever had the money to overpayI have only ever got good deals because I'm poor
>>61701808Because capitalistic greed ruins hobbies by attracting people who care more about the money than the hobby, and inevitably turn it into something only the rich can afford. Profit and investment is for stocks and Wall Street. A modest profit of $50 - $100 over what you paid for a gun at fair market value to keep up with inflation might be fine after some time of owning it, but it shouldn't be expected. "Flipping" for a 50%+ profit is a straight Jew move and shouldn't be considered welcome by anyone in any hobby. The need for profit is what sucks the fun out of all things in life. Bad enough to experience it in your job, but don't let it fuck up your hobbies too, especially while laughing about it.
>>61704130>Profit and investment is for stocks and Wall StreetNo. Unlike stocks and bonds, the milsurp market is an inefficient marking, meaning there's profit to be found if you can capitalize on inefficiencies.It's much easier to make money going to obscure auctions buying mislabelled / misidentified milsurps for cheap, and then bringing them to the larger market for $$. Can't do that with stocks/bonds unless you're willing to poor hours of research into a company's finance sheets, and even then you only get so far without inside information
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>>61704009>So are you saying that Europeans care about militaria because it's history that affected them whereas Americans see it more as war trophies...It is not black and white, but as a matter of general cultural undertones in the hobby, yes. I have met greedmonger Eurofags and wholesome fellow Burgers in the hobby, and vice versa. When I visited antique shops in Florence and Vienna a few years ago, the old guys running them were just happy to meet a younger person who cared about history for real, one who reads books and isn't a tik-tok addicted item flipper. I spent the first 30 mins in each shop just talking about collecting and history with the old guys before conducting business. Got a couple of nice discounts by just listening to what they had to say, letting them bask in happy memories, and not being a pushy cunt. In my friend's experience in London and mine all over the eastern half of the US, it's much more of a "buy something or get the fuck out" mentality. It's usually subtle, but it's there because war relics are viewed more as a souvenirs and investment commodities. It wasn't always like this, it just got really bad in the past 20 years.I am a militaria collector (primarily kraut paperwork and photos) as much, if not slightly more than a surp gun buyer, so I experience the market dynamics from that angle as well. WW2 document collecting is quite fascinating because of how easy it is to connect the dots and reveal much of an individual soldier's service history.
>>61704012I can't remember if it was a certain Q&A video or not, but I wish that clip of Ian McCollum saying milsurp investing is stupid was something easily accessible to the masses.>>61704230>primarily kraut paperworkThere's a folder at my folks' place with my great grandfather's military promotion documents. One of them has Mr. H's signature. You might like that.
>>61704012I hate what happened to YouTube in the past decade so much it's unreal.
>ITT People hating on investorsYou will NEVER get gains this big in the stock market
>>61704269>but I wish that clip of Ian McCollum saying milsurp investing is stupid Lol which one? The older video when he said milsurp investing was stupid, or the more recent one after he sold out and said "please invest and enter my raffle and buy my bags"?
>>61704296I'm watching the top one out of curiosity. It's difficult to imagine the sort of person this information caters to. Because on the one hand you should be passionate enough about the hypothetical "investment collection" to do your research and find proper examples to acquire, but they also frame it like you should try to read the trends and deliberately choose something that will inevitably catch on. It's such a weird logic to me, like why would I put all this time and effort collecting stuff I like so I can flip it when it's hot? Just buy stocks ya fuckin dummy.>please invest and enter my raffleI'm glad I haven't seen him peddle that in a while. $50 raffle tickets are embarrassing. Even if you do get a "collectible mug".
>>61704206Numbnuts, not that it should be literally like stocks, but that most normal people don't enjoy literally everything they do revolving around making moneyOn /v/ recently there was a guy like you but for video games>wow what if we had a video game that you would have to treat like work to earn real money but it would also have a stock trading minigame also with real money, that would be the coolest thing ever
>>61701227>I don't see what's the problem?I don't have a problem with that, because you're using it and enjoying it. It's the guys who snatch stuff up and squirrel it away; not shooting it, showing it off or displaying it and barely even touching it (certainly not letting anyone else touch it) because that would lower the resale value. Their sole interest in the piece is its potential monetary value, not its history. The historical information contained within that particular firearm as to its production and usage is thus buried where no researcher can find it and record it to add to a comprehensive understanding of the history of a particular firearm design.>>61704278I really like that L1A1. Good wood.
>>61704615>Posts Enfields and based opinions at the same time.Never change, friend.
>>61701397I don't think they make that anymore.
>>61704615>The historical information contained within that particular firearm as to its production and usage is thus buried...Gunboards and other forums have, thankfully, coaxed a lot of people into sharing good quality photos of their surp, then adding the details of it to their extensive serial number studies, so everyone benefits from researching their particular guns. But I understand what you mean. Buyers whose knowledge base consists largely of half-truths and fuddlore, because they don't care to read history books or research outside the context of "How can I (((resell))) for 200%+ what I paid for this," get fucking annoying to interact with at shows.
>>61701600noice. one of my primary interest of collection are finn anti commie spraysnot picturedm27 bike/skijaegerm27 latem28/30 weird 1000xx serialm39 vktm91/30 potbelly stockm24p26m91 remington
How much research do y'all do at gunshows? I try to research beforehand, but I don't wanna look at a gun and then go sit in a corner on my phone for 20 minutes trying to learn all the details about this thing I just looked at
>>61705006My humble Finn contributions. 1915 Peter the Great M91 with SA stamp and the initials "PV" carved and wood-filled into the other side of the stock, pretty cool. An early 1944 Sako M39 that shoots very well. And three medals I found for $10 each because the seller didn't know what they were, but I recognized the language. M28/30 is high up on the "guns to buy" list.
>>61705062I put critical information about whatever gun I'm looking for onto powerpoint slides as quick cheat sheets and save them to my phone, primarily photos of markings, arsenal stamps, serial nr ranges etc. Makes for easy research because every gun show I've attended is hosted in a building with shit phone service.
>>61705062Why not? You either do the research there and decide with more information if it interests you. Otherwise you buy it and then research and then might not be as interested adterwards. The opinions of boomers sitting behind a table for 6hrs on a weekend dont matter
>>61704278beautiful SVD
Scored high enough to get the commemorative medal for the 200 years of the Swiss shooting federation. Thank you K31
>>61705169can you share them?
>>61693160Sir I only play Verdun and Isonzo
>>61705062I only buy stuff that I'm comfortably informed about, which is usually fine because I like to learn about stuff I like. Maybe take notice of the guns you're interested in when you go, and then do research on them when you're at home. Over a period of time you'll eventually know your shit and won't have to google stuff. But if you find something you really like, why not drive over to a starb*cks or something to chill out and do a little research. Then go back in when you know everything you need to know.
>>61704615>I really like that L1A1. Good wood.Thank. It was a good snatch on eBay back when it wasn't cucked.Pistol grip is a bit munted, I need to get around to fixing it.I kinda sorta ruined her (picrel) but I really didn't know what to do with the surplus TA01 ACOG with a 7.62 BDC that I got as an absolute steal.
>>61705062>How much research do y'all do at gunshows?I walk in knowing exactly what I'm looking for. If I see something that's out of my normal area of interest but has piqued me for some reason it has to be very cheap for me to buy it, otherwise I'll just pass. Haven't bought a gun at a show in years; just parts and ammo. Last thing I bought was a Japanese Type-30 rear sight leaf with slider and an intact slider catch to replace the broken latch on mine's rear sight. Cost me $5 from a Boomer with toolboxes full of old milsurp parts. He didn't know or care what it was and I didn't enlighten him.>>61705340Well done.
>>61705417Thanks friend
>>61705648BasedI peaked in 2019 when I won the overall total score, individual score and team score medals in a single competition, I've only fallen off since then
>>61705648How big is the target for 300m?
>>61705816Impressive, at least you had a good peak>>61705902Today's event was on the B target, pic rel
>>61705816Nice CRT. Still have it?
>>61705816is that your grandmas house?
>>61705936Some sort of camo target?
>>61706413Irl there's no pattern on it but the "torso" is a shade of green and the background is grey so that one is a bit tricky compared to the usual A target
>>61706452HmMaybe I should go and blast away with my K31 at a Finnish 03 target tomorrow at 300m, the rings are the same size but it only goes down to the 6 ring and everything lower than that is a miss
>>61702947>>61700825I apologize for ever doubting the autism of the Krauts.
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