Last one: >>7121414A bad sharpener will slow you down and ruin your pencils.A good sharpener is like a fresh breath of air, such as pic.
I got a G-pen and a nib holder. I've been using it and it's pretty cool, the only thing I dislike is that you can't throw a line on any direction you want.
>>7156219I use a knife
>>7156227What if you cut yourself
>>7156229>cut yourselfNGMI, true artists can sharpen their pencils with a knife eyes closed.
>>7156219i love that sharpener, it does eat (more than alternatives) pencils though.
>>7156219I wish they made these in steel. The plastic just gets clunky after a few years of use, and easily breaks. I'd pay good money for a full steel or brass version...
Bought some of pic related off of aliexpress to seeif there's much of a difference between the pro and the academy version. If it's good I'm tempted to buy some if their larger rolls for like 30$. Hopefully not a scam.>>7156219These are really good but the blades in mine rusted after a few months so I can;t decide whether or not I should buy a new one.
Asking again: what's a good mechanical eraser? Preferably something closer to the discontinued PaperMate Erase-It than the smaller Tombow types, but I'll take anything as long as it works well.
>>7156411You mean a click eraser? I just use a Staedtler mars plastic 528 50, I like this one because the erasers don't break.
>>7156227I'm not gonna pull out a knife in a cafe, I would throw shavings all over the place!
>>7156219>using a pencil you need to sharpen>not taking the mechanical pencil pillNGMI
>>7156567I have mechanical pencils and soft and hard leads, but I also use colored pencils for sketching, so I need a sharpener. Besides, I kinda hate sketching with mechanical pencils. I still do it, but I like it less.
what kind of mechanical pencils work BEST for drawing? what kind are unacceptable? how do sleeves and wobbly tip/anti-break factor in?
>>7156723avoid gimmicks like anti breaking and auto feeding or auto sharpen
>>7156728so just a normal drafting pencil?
>>7156735yeah, Pentel Sharp is an all time favourite for many people but I find a thicker pencil more comfortable so I use the Dr Grip
>>7156777>Pentel Sharpdoes the size matter?also with the Dr. Grip, is the shaker okay?
>>7156790it depends on what you use it for, 0.5 is most popular. As for the shaker I don't think it has any advantages over just pressing the button so I just don't use it
>>7156723All that matters is that they're fixed sleeve, and they don't have gimmicks like shakers or the kuru toga.Other than that it's up to your preference but imo the Pentel P20X and Graphgear 500 lines are the most comfortable and reliable.
>>7156723Staedler 2mm lead holder
>>7156561Ideally something like this would be available in a more utilitarian, less pretentious form. It peels the pencil the same way a knife would but the little box catches the shavings.Honestly I’m kind of 50/50 on knife sharpening. Once you learn how to do it it’s pretty much strictly superior to regular sharpeners, and once you get really good at it you can even smooth out the cuts and make the pencils look good instead of carved up. But on the other hand it takes way longer (big deal if you’re sharpening a Prismacolor set or something like that), you need to have something to catch the shavings with, and it’s a pretty repetitive motion (so it strains your thumbs). Also in this clown world even pulling out a pocket knife or such in public might get somebody shrieking at you, so it’s normie-unfriendly.
Redpill me on ArtemirandaLooks shady as shit but I dont see anyone complaining about it
>>7157467Shit like that is how you know the action has become a ritual/fetish.I too used to be a snob about sharpening with a blade but then I started using mechanical pencils more, and sharpening my colored pencils with an electric sharpener.Then I realized I don't draw in atelier style on a full sheet of cheap parer propped on a canvas, so the extended side of the lead you get with knife sharpening was never useful.
>>7157492>shadyLooks like a pretty normal art store to me? The prices don't look crazy to me, you're just getting EU prices for European art supplies. If you look at something that's imported to Spain, like Prismacolor, the prices spike the same way euro art supplies spike in price over here.
Someone should invent refillable fineliners or constant width dip pens.
>>7157560>refillable finelinersCopic had those but they're discontinued. Honestly I don't think it's a bad idea to think about investing in fountain pens if you want fixed line widths and refillable ink.
>>7157562>>7157560Basically tech pens fill that niche, they have less variation than a fineliner but a) it's not that different than a felt tip pen and b) you're directly applying ink to the paper, which is why fineliner ink looks "off" sometimes. But they are a chore to maintain, however you can use tech pen ink with dip pens and refillable brush pens like the Pentel Pocket Brush with no problem. I don't reccomend fountain pens because FP ink tends to be pretty bad, it's often non archival and the ink isn't as intense. But at the end of the day... just stick to Microns. It's the cheapest and most comfortable alternative, they're perfectly good pens and you'll do good stuff with them.
>>7157560They're called rapidographs, are insanely easy to break and you have to use ink specially formulated for them that's only still produced by Parker, Rotring and Staedtler and hard to find offline unless you live near an architecture school.
>>7157576>FP ink tends to be pretty badas an FP geek I'll just say that FP ink is for journaling and writing non-archival letters.
>>7156543I mean an eraser with a clutch advance, like pic related. Though they're also called click erasers in certain markets.>>7156723In my experience medium pencils with slim-to-medium sleeves are more comfortable and functional. A Pentel Twist-Erase III has been my go-to since 2009 and it hasn't let me down yet. It's also the only break resistant pencil that actually works as advertised, though as others said it's not a necessary feature.
>>7157598Koh I Noor and Rotring's drawing ink is pretty much available everywhere even in my 3rd world shithole. Rotring stopped producing the big bottles of it, but KIN still has them available. Rotring discontinued rapidographs in favor of isographs, but iirc KIN, Staedtler and Faber Castell still produce rapidographs (even though they are technically isographs, due to he way you refill them).>>7157622Yeah it's great for writing, I had one. But it's just not good for drawing.
>>7157576>>7157622I see people almost exclusively use fountain pens for art on YouTube though, most notable probably being Peter Han
>>7157733I have that one as well but it's made by Sakura, you can still find that model but sold by other brands. I prefer the Staedtler one and its erasers over anything else, the erasers don't break like the Pentel ones for example.
>>7157902This one.
>>7157896Those people don't care about their art lasting longer than the making of their video since they're entertainers, not artists.
>>7157896>>7158044Most of them use it because it feels like a pencil, but it's an ink tool. They're making sketches they'll throw to the bin later.
>>7157733>>7157949I've been devling into this for a while.Basically there's two kinds of mechanical eraser, clutch erasers like the Rotring here, and click erasers like the Staedtler here.The difference is the clicks have notches so you can only extend the eraser by notch sizes and when it comes to the end of the notches you waste like 1/2" of eraser.The clutch erasers like a clutch pencil you can just press the button and let the eraser fall as long or short as you want and so long as there's a little bit the clutch can hang to you can be as miserly with your eraser as you want.An extra advantage of clutch erasers is you can sharpen the eraser with a pencil sharpener and get a nice point. This doesn't work with click erasers because the hole is static and when the eraser is slimmer than the hole it wobbles like a bitch.An extra disadvantage of click erasers is they only take click eraser sticks, they have a little bump at the end so they can snap to the carrier button. Clutch erasers can take any standard size stick eraser including click eraser sticks.Personally my favorite stick erasers are the Sumo Grip if you don't mind non-standard sticks and the Sakura Nocks for a standard stick clutch.
>>7158044>>7158054Han has piles of sketchbooks drawn with fountain pens though
Fineliners are uncomfortable since you have to hold them mostly upright, and they feel like shit because you are scrubbing a plastic sponge across paper. The problem is that they have such a useful combination of properties - many sizes, dry instantly, waterproof and lightfast.There are archnival fountain pen inks if you need them, and most blacks/browns are lightfast even in dye form.
>>7157560All fineliners are refillable if you take the nib off, you can dramatically extend their lifespan this way and keep using them until the nib dies
>>7156219What's the best blender and burnishing pencils for colored pencil?I'm just gorilla gripping pencils together right now but it feels wasteful.
>>7157949those eraser pens are silly . all you need is a regular square eraser. it does everything. staedtler is good though.
>>7156219this sharpener should be remade into Steel by Germans or Americans.The Japanese company that made these market these to exclusively Japanese 20+ yo women.
>>7156561You could whittle your pencil in the urinal. >>7157467>>7157536If I were doing a whole prismacolor set from flat, I would sharpen them all with a sharpener first. But for the few pencils I use for sketching, I sharpen with a knife. It allows you to get exactly what you want and lead never breaks if you aren’t retarded. I did this before I ever heard about that atelier shit.
>>7158087>fineliners are uncomfortable since you have to hold them mostly uprightFor this reason, I prefer a somewhat larger size (0.2, 0.3). Used with decent speed and finesse, lines can be quite fine. You can use them at a much sharper angle than a 0.05.
>>7158871If It was "made in América" it would be trash steel from Vietnam and cost $60
>>7158170Only if you have good ink tho.I filled a Micron with india ink and it worked for two hours then clogged and became useless.Others I filled with liquid watercolor and fountain pen ink did work.
>>7158058Thanks. Everything you listed is exactly why I'm so interested in them.>Personally my favorite stick erasers are the Sumo Grip if you don't mind non-standard sticks and the Sakura Nocks for a standard stick clutch.I actually looked into those before, but it seems like the Sumo Grip was discontinued and is unavailable online, and the Sakura Nocks are just as rare. Unless there's some sites I'm not aware of.>>7158835>Precision is sillySure, you could always cut up a block eraser and carve it to your preferences, but not everyone wants to do that.
I got my Maru nibs in the mail today.
>>7159900Yeah the Sakura Nocks is only available in Japan and fucking Malaysia and Phillipines it seems. I got mine from Aliexpress in a 3 pack for $10 plus $5 shipping or something. Which is way more than the 400 yen a piece they cost, but unless you're gonna go wandering into Ginza Itoya anytime soon, it's acceptable to scratch off that itch. Since they're three different colors I color coded my eraser shape. The red sharpened to a point, the blue cut into a chisel and the black rounded off by use.
I was told Crayola are good training pencils for the Polychromos since they're hard cored and need to be layered to get good coverage. Is that true or am I getting crabbed?
My kneaded eraser keeps leaving gray shit on my paper
>>7160017Do you just roll it across your paper like a fool? May be a little humid in your location. The oil in the kneaded eraser can clog the paper pores I believe.
>>7160017You licked it, didn't you?
I got stadler noris coloured pencils as a gift how good are they?I am using them and they seem ok but I am not good with colored pencils so is there any tutorial on colored pencils?
>>7159930Nice. Just ordered myself some new nibs as well.Wanted to try something different than my G nibs or my Tama's. Probably not going to bother using the pen holders though since I have plenty and the plastic Speedball ones feel uncomfortable.
anyone use these watercolor 'inks' I know Toriyama was a fan, but I'm not sure how different it is to normal watercolor.
>>7158054how the fuck does a fountain pen feel like a pencil?
>>7160670They're student grade so hard and lightly pigmented. But I like the colors and mostly use them for sketching and details.You won't be able to get decent hyperrealistic drawings out of them but they're more than good enough for anime and cartoony styles imo
>>7160690They're called liquid watercolors but they're not pigment based, they're just color dyes, similar to Copics.
>>7160690I had a one a few years ago. It wasn't very pigmented and it wasn't lightfast, which was a problem made worse from the bottle itselfbeing clear so that when I went to paint with it the result was a washed out, dilluted look. Traditional watercolor is a much better product and I'd buy smoother paper if you wanted the look of the liquid variety (or maybe markers if you like the look of colored manga).
>>7160779Thing is illustrators don't care about lightfastness. They're gonna go through those bottles in a month and their work is getting scanned immediately after completion to then be put in a binder in the office never to be seen again.Artists care about lightfastness because the originals are the product, illustrators don't because the art is for a mass market reproduction product.So if you want intense colors to photograph/scan and maybe sell prints of, stop worrying about that shit. Copics, dyes and cheap color pencils have bright bold colors that no lightfast product can imitate.If you want your work to last 300 years stop being dumb and do oils.
>>7160983>Thing is illustrators don't care about lightfastness.Fair enough. But it still doesn't seem worth it when the bottle I bought wasn't very pigmented when it was new. At that point I'd unironically suggest buying printer ink bottles instead. It's a better value to buy a CMYK set than it would be to buy a dozen tiny bottles for 80 dollars.
>>7160983the flip side is that you don't actually need bright bold colors for reproductions in 2024 because the tech is better and you can just adjust whatever you want digitally with zero effort or cost so in practical terms you gain nothing and lose the original
Outside of flourescents, modern chemistry has a complete range of lightfast pigments with sear-your-eyes level chroma.Water or alcohol soluble dyes are still a problem but there is no barrier for any other medium to not be completely lightfast.The truth iis that 98% of art supplies are using color recepies from 80 years ago and if anything changes artists will sperg out and throw a nuclear level tantrum.
>>7161385doubt.jpgmaterials get worse all the time and there are entire pigments that are a different color now because the original site got mined out and the new one's a different color at worst there'd be a few years of mild annoyance
>>7161489Shit ton of paint has changed just because it was mildly poisonous.And yet they feed us flouride in water.
>>7161615I can't believe they took away uranium yellow, hansa and cadmium are fucking shit. SHIT!
Thoughts on these? I got a 12b and it really is (almost) matt, what's the catch?
>>7161615> And yet they feed us flouride in water.Birth control pill residues are known to affect the male to female ratio in fish population in rivers...> Nature: so you want to have the joy of sex without those pesty kids???> lemme fuck things up a little
>>7161629More coal less clay.
>>7161652Is that a bad thing? It's not any darker than my regular pencils, it's observably grey, just less shiny.
>>7161215Also this. There's no point in using an inferior product if you don't have to.
>>7161667That's... the whole purpose of this line of pencil: to be less shiny.I've got a few of those but haven't toyed with them just yet. I don't have a really high B though.
>>7161629They aren't matte, pointless endeavor.
>>7161629I have the tin with the full range. They’re noticeably waxier, >>7161652 is brain damaged, this isn’t a carbon pencil, the matte effect is clearly a product of adding more wax to the binder. Besides the feel of the pencil you can see this by comparing papers, the toothier the paper the more binder gets stuck in the tooth along with the graphite, the more matte your lines become. On smooth paper or cardstock it’s only marginally less shiny than regular graphite.Anyway, they’re okay. I like the thicker, softer cores, the deeper blacks when you get to 10-12-14b, and the matte effect. I can’t get used to the waxy laydown though, it feels too much like colored pencil compared to the regular Castell 9000s, which go down silky smooth. You also run through them way faster than the regular 9000s, because the cores are so soft. An HB 9000 will last me 2+ months of daily drawing until it’s a nub, the Matt version will last half of that. Oh and of course if you like harder ranges forget about them, these only go down to HB, and the half-tin of 6 starts at 2b.
Niggas, what's a good electrical (horizontal) sharpener bellow 100€?>>7160690I'ts going to be really fun when in a matter of a couple of years these people check back on their drawings and everything faded away.>7161629anon, think, please think.How is a pencil made of graphite matte? Graphite is shinny anon! Just means it's graphite mixed with something else, so it really isn't graphite!
>>7156219My beloved.With a Pilot Precise V5 for my ballpoint.
>>7159984Thanks for the heads up. Never used Aliexpress before, but I'm definitely checking this out.
>>7162026brush mogs the hardtip fudenosuke
>>7162063The trick is to check the store's page before ordering.Ali is like Amazon. And just like Amazon, if the store you're buying from is a stationery store with stationery stuff at good but realistic prices, it's legit. If the store you're buying from is full of random novelty/luxury shit at absurd prices, it's a scam.
>>7160690if you are willing to pay a bit more, you should go for acrylic inks. Pic rel I use regularly for almost everything. They layer better, are lightfast, and can be used inside of pens for details. The best brand in the market is ROHRER & KLINGNER, but they are way too out of my budget. I have one of their reds
>>7156387Paper arrived today. So far it's pretty nice. It has a rougher texture, it's 1/4 inch larger and is a touch whiter than the academy. Outside of that they're pretty much identical. Can't say one performs better than the other or anything. I'll probably buy the rolls when I run out. Solid purchase.
>half off Windsor Newton Series 7 Brushes on AmazonHoly shit
>>7156241Yes.Every 1st years art student are required to use a knife to sharpening pencil. That's the first lesson of sculpting.If your art school doesn't do that, they are fake.
what ink is actually water and copic proof? Deleter lies there #4 is not copic proof if you are using anything but a very fine nib.I want to layer large areas with a brush and not get smear.
>>7163167>doesn't ship to europe
>>7163341India Ink but you have to make sure it's 100% dry.Some artists leave their art out overnight just to be sure, though if you're impatient you could use a hair dryer to speed up the process.
>>7163167>>7163167Link or exact name? I cant find it. or it just doesnt show the discount to me
thoughts on ohuhu markers?
>>7157467this shit is way to expensiveis there an alternative?
>>7164840A normal fucking sharpener.Be real you never use the side of the lead. And if you do, get a lead holder instead.
>>7164854agreed, i used to get decent sharpeners but then i got one that was school supply tier and it worked wonders. if you ink your art it literally doesn't matter. and if it's a sketchbook, it's likely that you're using that pencil for linework anyways.If that's not good enough just get any box cutter.
>>7164840If you want a lot of lead exposed KUM sharpeners are good for that, but they do have a problem where the holes for the screws get stripped overtime and you can't take the blade out to replace it. This happened to 2 of my sharpeners but the one side that still works is useful for long points.
>>7164840just get a box of industrial razor blades for $10, it will last you a decade, they carve pencils easily, fit in a wallet, sketchbook cover, pocket or wherever and don't draw attentionI have no idea why people use knives and other bulky shit
>>7164824Don't waste your money. They're pretty bad unless you just need a generic sketchbook marker and don't want to go whole hog on Copics
Is it possible to do a beautiful graphite rendering on printer paper, or do I have to work on nicer paper? If so, what nice paper do you recommend? Graphite pencil recommendations?
>>7165254Sanded paper
>>7165254strathmore drawing is fine, 400 series
>>7165269>>7165326thank you frens
>>7165254>Is it possible to do a beautiful graphite rendering on printer paperIt is, but get yourself some strathmore paper or similar. It's not so expensive, and will do the job.The trick for fine graphite drawing, besides proportions, is in the technique you use to handle the graphite. Look around for Bargue plate tutorials, they usually cover the basics. Don't try working from a photo just yet
The Caran d'Ache blender is the best I've tested so far.
Does anyone know if sharpeners/pointers for 1.3mm lead exist? There are 2mm pointers and sharpeners for jumbo pencils, but I've never seen anything for this size.
>>7168106Smooth sand paper.
Ded thread Ded boardDed hobby
What is the absolute cheapest way to get non-shit paper?
>>7169374meaning what
>>7169415Just not copy paper/printer paper.
>>7169417that literally means nothing, nodraw retard
>>7169374If you’re just practicing and not really saving drawings for posterity there’s no reason not to just use a big fat roll of Kraft paper or newsprint.Beyond that, at any paper quality reams of 100+ sheets will always be less expensive than buying sketchbooks.
>>7169374>>7169463speaking of which, i use newsprint for sketching but I want to start doing Robertson's book which requires ballpoint pen. Printer paper sucks ass to draw on so what is a good alternative (preferable larger than a4 something like 11x17 or 12x18)I'm thinking deleter manga paper would be a decent alternative but curious what others use. Bonus if it is also pretty good with graphite.
>>7169463What's a good source of large newsprint for cheap? Can you just use packing paper?
>>7169538you can get rolls which is dirt cheap, but for a little extra pads of newsprint 50 - 100 count are like $5 and you can technically draw on both sides if you are super frugal.
>>7169540seriously though if you are like > newsprint is too expensive, stop now and get a tablet. Trad isn't for you.
I use a lot of printer paper with graphite for practice and there's nothing wrong with it
>>7169537Bristol. Buy sheets and cut them yourself.For cheap sketchbooks I just fold a dozen printer paper sheets in half and staple them together. 90gsm bond goes for $5 a ream.
>>7169813i do love bristol the pads are just expensive so I use it for finished work. how do you cut them cleanly, just a box cutter and a ruler?
Copic or posca markers? Or some third brand?
>>7169951ive only seen posca be used for white out or highlights on top of marker/ink/colored pencil, not sure anyone does illustration work w/ them like they do copics.its also a totally different medium acrylic paint vs alcohol ink, and copic has 300 more colors or so.
>>7169813>>7169820what sheets are you buying the only semi affordable thing compared to pads is rolls but then the paper has a heavy bend.
What’s a good gouache set? I’m tempted to get this one
>>7169988himi gouache works pretty well but you have to be careful, it can be very toxic. I had to drop a few colours that smelled too chemical and would give me headaches. Also they go moldy easily
>>7170000So I should have an open window then? Also how do I keep it fresh to not be moldy? It’s my first time using gouache.
>>7169988It's alright as a starter but they have too much fillers and some colors dry dull and others will fade.
>>7170040Would it be better if it’s in a tube?
>>7169988I'd go for a primary set instead;learning to mix colors is crucial. Pebeo has an okay one, but there are other brands; just don't go for the cheapest.No weird chemical smell either.>>7170014> Also how do I keep it fresh to not be moldyMold will depend upon the pigment, local climate, water quality, and probably other random things. Letting the paint dry usually works: don't try hold it fresh by airtighting it once it's out of the tube. If you paint daily, the paint will never fully dry, and you'll be able to rewet it easily.If it's hard rock dry, you need to work the paint a little bit with a palette knife and water until it goes back to an acceptable consistency.
>>7170072Ohhh okay I understand, thank you. !
>>7169988>>7170000Doesn't it say in the picture that the paint is non-toxic though? I"ve never heard of gouache being dangerous outside of certain pigments, it's not like it has heavy fumes like solvents or anything like that. But if you're concerned anon then maybe buy Arteza instead. It's about the same price as HIMI but it comes in tubes so you only need to pour out small amounts at a time.
>>7169964Gotta go out dude. My local mom and pop stationery shop sells 200gsm 22x28" sheets for $10
>>7170212Like a single sheet? Or how many? Also small businesses are less affordable than the big chains so....
>>7164876I'm not gonna pull out a sharpener called KUM in a cafe, everyone will think I'm gay!
>>7164899ergonomics mostly
>>7156723I have yet to find a better all around pencil for the same price or less
>>7170504my man. Graphgear 500 as well as Sakura Sumo Grip are also very based
Good cheap compact scanner for A4 size?
>>717048520 22x28" sheet packs for $10.One 22x28" sheet for $0.60.50 letter size sheet blocks for $8.You can cut six letter size pieces from the full sheet and will have a chunk of scratch paper too. Find your city's large mom and pop stationery shops and go browse for options. You'll likely find something that's cheaper or more convenient than whatever you're finding on Amazon. Like sure a ream of letter size bristol for $25 is half what it'd take to get 500 pieces from sheets. But you're spending $25 instead of $0.60 to test a paper you might not like.
>>7170513P20X for sketching, GG500 for detailing is the Lord's intended way to use mechanical pencils.
>might have gotten ink in the ferrule of my WN brush
Sister bought me a 12-pack of copic sketch markers during her Golden Week vacation for only ~35 burgerbucks! She didn't know which colors to get, but thankfully the silk and light purple colors will go great with my skin color set. The warm/cool greys are nice, too, and did not conflict with my neutral gray 12 pack which cost 55 on amazon...
Bros I like dry media so much, I wish I had infinite money to buy all the colored pencils and charcoals and fancy japs pencil knivesMaybe I'd cheat a little and buy a set of inktense pencils
>>7170156himi gouache are sold directly from china without much quality control.
>>7170636Copics aren't expensive, the exportroon mafia makes them expensive.
>>7170789The Mafia is actually just copic themself that sets MSRP. But yea buy from Japan I bought loads through a proxy service.
>>7170504The chink copied it and sell 20 cents each. Quality is the same.
>>7170805what proxy did you use
>>7170825Dejapan shipped them, but when I wanted to buy Holbein paint I used blackship. You have to email and ask before ordering for most art supplies
>>7165934thanks anon
>>7170638Do you use anything in particular to get nice solid layers with colored pencils? Too much grainy white gives it a kid look
>>7170810The chinks copied the GG500 not the P20X.
is the silver staedtler holder a good choice? Been sketching less in colored pencil and more on bristol with 2H pencils and thought I should try a lead holder.
>>7170528Not that much of an issue
>>7170865thanks
>>7171669went with faber castell because i like their graphite and colored pencils a lot already, so how hard can they fuck up a clutch pencil.
>>7171756Good choice, the Staedtler silver is absolutely garbage, the blue leadholder is good though.
>>7171758im slowly finch maxxing with my workflow, it's extremely comfy
I've been drawing since the beginning of the year, and I'm planning to travel to the US in August. Is there anything I should look out for? I want to get into other medium (when I get better), like watercolor, maybe pastels and pens.
>>7171787US has overpriced art supplies should visit Japan instead.> watercolorholbein, winsor and newton, schmincke, daniel smith, any pro series> pensballpoint: hi-tec-cfineliner: faber castell, micron, copic
>>7171793But I'm not going to travel to Japan this time, I want to go to the US.
>>7171787American branded leadholders, inks, Hunt pen nibs, Prismacolor colored pencils, Strathmore pads, american paint brushes like Princeton, Silver, Grumbacher, KINGART and specially Robert Simmons white sable which were used Drew Struzan and Jeff Watts just to name a few.
>>7171876Also if you're into acrylics then try Golden paints.
are these worth it or can i get something similar with blender and free models?I'm on Linux so setting up wine for this fucking pc bullshit is a pain but it does seem like useful lighting reference.
>>7171916No they're all terrible, ugly models, zero aesthetics.
>>7171933>none of them look like the cartoon anime girls that make my pee pee squirt funny juice
>>7171933>No they're all terrible, ugly models, zero aesthetics.played around with it and it seems pretty useful. im not going to copy it as reference.
>>7170526Amen, I know this is the trad thread but I love the GG500 so much that I made a Clip Studio Paint brush trying to replicate it as accurately as possible, It's free if any of you are interested.https://spinehaus.gumroad.com/l/ixzyp
>>7171944
>>7171978>heheh what about THIS cherrypicked example?!it's fine bro. Post your work, I honestly doubt you have the capability to improve upon that model, which you should be able to do. That's the point of reference in the first place.
>>7171987If this is your best reference you might just use an action figure and a lamp.
This stuff is always made by non-artists which is why it's of no use and looks awful.
>>7171998oh you're determined to be miserable and negative. Carry on. Good luck.
>>7171669I bought a 2mm staedler lead holder and the frontmost tooth was slightly too sharp. It would break the lead instantly with any kind of side pressure. Probably just an issue with the one I got but it was absolute dogshit.
>>7171787Daniel Smith is very easy to find in stores here and they'll be much cheaper too, But if you're looking for US brands then definitely check out M. Graham, Da Vinci, and QOR watercolors. All of these are equal or better than Daniel smith. M. Graham Especially If you like honey based paints.>>7171793>holbein, winsor and newton, schminckeNone of these are american.
Casein too, Richeson Casein paint tubes are mainly, almost exclusive to the US market.
>>7171787The only place where Prismacolor is cheaper than in the US is Mexico, so definitely stock up on that if you have any interest in colored pencils. Also Prismacolor alcohol markers are pretty good if you’re into that, but the big disadvantage they have compared to copics is that they’re not refillable. Blackwing pencils are hyped up, but IMO they’re basically just a relabeled Japanese pencil and the company is insufferable.Strathmore paper is cheapest in the US too. Some less known brands like Black Widow colored pencils is also something I’d pick up, or Blick’s set of colored pencils. I really like colored pencils if you haven’t noticed.General’s is a good US brand for the kind of art supply you want to buy in bulk, like charcoal, white chalk, graphite crayon, pencil extenders, etc.Stuff like US Art Supply might be good, it depends. Usually the bulk paint/crayons etc. are pretty bad, but they come basically for free with actually useful stuff like paper, brushes, easels, storage boxes, etc, so sometimes it’s a good deal.
>>7157492Not shady at all, I have ordered there several times in the past and got everything fine. It’s a legit store.
>>7171264I'm not that guy, but using neutral toned paper makes all the difference with colored pencils.
>>7170638I really enjoy rendering small drawings in pencil, but I think I'd kill myself if I had to do it for real
>>7172324It's all about the big boy 5.6mm lead for that. Or charcoal sticks, either way.
Redpill me on Uni pencils. Will they make up for my lack of Asian genetics?
>>7171264Bunch of options. The traditional one is just layering over and over but this is very time-consuming, and with waxy, soft pencils like Prismacolor it can backfire on smooth paper, because the wax builds up and then you can't work the paper further. Heavy layering to cover the tooth ends up working much better with hard pencils like Polychromos or Irojiten. For a fully dry technique with soft pencils I like burnish blending, which is you press down hard on the area you want to fill in, then gradually soften, leaving you with a block of solid color on one end, and a fading gradient on another. Then you grab your next color and start burnishing over the gradient, again slowly softening... this goes on until you're done. This makes a really cool effect where the drawing has so little tooth left over it looks almost like it's been printed. However, again, wax buildup from burnishing with soft pencils, PLUS flattening the tooth of the paper from the pressure, all mean you can't really work over an area that's burnished. This chick explains it pretty well if you have the time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_NKbyztQVA
>>7173225Finally there's solvents, either mineral spirits and a brush or something like pic related for convenience. What you do is add one or two layers, then go over it with the blender pen. The solvent dissolves the binder, and the liquid seeps into the tooth, leaving you an area of solid color. The initial drawback is that this looks way less pigmented, but because the tooth of the paper is fully preserved, you can immediately go over the area with more pencil. Since the amount of liquid you need is negligible this works on regular sketch paper without any bleed through, too. One thing to note is that since you're dissolving the binder, you miss out on the solid color effect that heavy layering and burnishing give you, it ends up looking more painterly, like something done in marker. And of course you need a pen, or god forbid a brush and a jar of solvent.An ultra-deluxe option you see in professional gallery-level work is to use sanded paper originally made for pastels, where you have a paper that's very rough in texture (due to the added sand layer), but has relatively little tooth in the paper itself, so each stroke of the pencil dumps a ton of pigment into the paper all at once (this is where all the awful Chinese tiktoks of 'magic pencils' come from, where one guy is drawing with a colored pencil but it looks like it's putting out pigment like a marker). But sanded paper is hilariously expensive so it's not really an option for sketching.
>>7156219What's a good paper if I want to leave a solid layer of color with copics then add in soft shading style with polychromos?Marker paper does not take in any color pencil and solf bristol bleeds alcohol ink and makes them look colder hue for some reason.
>>7171264I fill the intended region with alcohol marker first. It's quick. Then I add the texture and detail with colored pencils. No white patches, and filling a region is a lot less work.
>>7156219Sakura and Tombow brush pen blenders are just dryer water brushes, right?
is canson paper at all good? I'm trying to find a good general purpose paper for 2H pencils, I really enjoy Strathmore 300 Mixed Media and Bristol for drawing but it's a bit pricey (40-50 cents per 11x14" sheet) for a daily practice paper. I bought a pack of Hammermill 'bristol' copy paper and it's garbage has no tooth and I think I'm going to return it.
>>7174367>is canson paper at all good?probably not fantastic for 2H pencils;who uses 2H exclusively anyway? see below> bristolgenerally is purposefully toothless. better suited for softer graphite or ink.if you have to choose one graphite grade as a beg, start with a B or 2B. HB is okay but less versatile. softer grades are better suited for more experienced people (as a single grade that is). for the most part, harder grades than HB are used for fine rendering and very narrow purposes.
>>7174410you have no idea what you are talking about. comic book artists all use lighter pencils with bristol, almost exclusively.
>>71744202b and higher is such garbage and is only good for rendering, awful for structure.
>>7174367i got it anyway, cant be any worse than that hammermill trash worst thing ive ever sketched on.
>>7174420>you have no idea what you are talking aboutI literally have hundreds of hours of graphite behind me.penciling for comics is a narrow use-case, which in the general case doesn't aim at a finished drawing, to save time, as mere indications can be sufficient for inkers. you must also consider that pencilers & inkers can share the same paper to save time again... very specific requirements.I was addressing a more general usage.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91ADt9BuP50
>>7174448>hundreds of hours of graphitebeg> narrow use caseyoure literally just doing bargue and lol at linking a russian faggot to demonstrate the most basic fucking atelier technique of using multiple pencil grades.
>>7174453> begI was being humble. I'm way, way above thousands overall in art.> linking a russian faggot to demonstrate the most basic fucking atelier techniquehard to watch a 13min video in less than 3 and be relevant, isn't it. it's furthermore well-known that the russians's use of graphite differs considerably from what is commonly taught in ateliers.a little butthurted and you go cry and yell around like a dog, trying to make yourself look way tougher than you are.and helpful people like myself shrug and move away from that hell hole because of people like you.and next time you'll have a question, there'll only be people as ignorant and mean as you are to help you.and you'll be the only one to blame, but you'll keep on whining about the world being unfair, and you being a poor victim helpless innocent soul.boo-ooh.grow the fuck up.
>>7174480> helpful< random schizo babbleyou literally started with some condescending bullshit. take your 6b pencil and your worthless opinions and shove them up your ass you arrogant dilettante.
what is the difference between the pentel bocket brush pen and their brush pen? the only difference seems that the latter is chunckier, I don't even think it holds more ink
>>7174581The bristles are different, the Pocket Brush has a different shape and is softer, it's a POS. Settle for nothing than the Pentel Aquash small or the Medium Brush Pen.
how bad of any idea is buying colour pencils from amazon, i'm pretty sure the delivery retards are going to break the cores by throwing the package around
>>7174769I've ordered those 96-count Dixon Ticonderoga packages and they all come out fine.
>>7173225Elbow grease, that's about what I figuredI like the look of markers but not the lifestyle so a little mineral solvent might actually be the gimmick I need
>>7174367>is canson paper at all good?Canson is a brand, they sell like 14 different paper types.
>>7175012mixed media and bristol compared to equivalent strath 300. their mixed media is a bit thinner but im mostly using it for drawing, wouldnt mind doing watercolor or marker over pencil occasionally tho.anyway i already bought it.
>>7175027I believe Strathmore and Canson are both under Dixon so there shouldn't be much difference.
>>7175088>>7175027Canson is a private french company but both of them make quality paper so it should be fine.If you're still interested in other brands than Fabriano is an italian company that also specializes in artists quality paper. Their mixed media has slightly more texture than other brands that makes it good for pencil and I've always liked their sketchbooks.
>>7175027im returning it and i bulk ordered strath 300 mm, the paper surface was fairly rough had more tooth than my strath drawing pad.So far my tier list is:Great but limited - newsprintGood all around - strath mixed mediaNear perfect - strath bristolGarbage - Strath Drawing / Charcoal / watercolor
>>7175678I think the Canson lines that are still French-made are their higher-end papers for watercolor and illustration, sketchbooks are probably Dixon paper. Not that there’s anything wrong with Dixon paper, like 90% of Strathmore is Dixon and it’s great.Incidentally, another French brand that cheaped out is Conté. The pastel pencils and drawing pencils are still French, but the famous crayons are all -I quote a dude who was waxing poetic in an Amazon review- carelessly, indifferently made in China. Another loss, my Lord.>>7174769I ordered the 150 Prismacolor set recently, which is as break-happy as a colored pencil gets, and they arrived just fine. Also, Amazon can go to hell, if you do order a 100+ set and it arrives broken, pick out your favorite intact colors and send the box back without those. They deserve it.
>>7175724Japan legit only company with all around good qc art supplies these days.
>>7175724So I looked up where Canson makes their paper and it said 'made in the USA with materials from France'. They also say on their website that they were acquired by an Italian company, but they ALSO have Dixon-Ticonderoga on their packaging (so you were right about that). Honestly this seems like a whole confused situation in general to the point that I'm not sure if different companies manufacture Canson paper in different countries or if all their paper is made in the same place and then distributed by third parties for some reason. It's all very odd.
What are the best wooden pencils for someone who just sketches and doodles a lot? Mechanical pencils are great, something about wooden pencils have a satisfying feelThinking about pic related, but what else is good? and if possible something that can last for a while?
>>7175759Faber-Castell, Prismacolor ebony pencils, and Mitsubishi. Not even the Hi-Uni ones, the 9800 series are great and affordable.
>>7156219I bought a set of old MarsMatic 700 tech pens at a garage sale and they are fairly fucked. I will forgo the details but a couple of them just have totally unusable nibs (I think). I'm gonna try some new ones, mine are old though so I have to go from .45 to .40 for example. Is there any trick to cleaning once they are fully disassembled though? They are fairly inkless now but still nothing flowing in some.
Canson USA and Canson France are two different companies, for instance, their comic book paper pads, in Europe the paper is plain awful and is in A3, the US version the boards are 11x17 and the paper has a different higher quality even if grainy.
>>7175824That's how it is, some flow, some will never flow no matter what, even if they're new in box. I had one that was my main pen, A MarsMatic 0.35, then it clogged and that was it.
>>7175970Damn. I psyopped myself with all these review videos saying they were almost indestructible, had it for a decade, so on. Eh the .5mm started working, that's something.
>>7175988It's a lottery, some will work some won't, there are a lot of gimmick products out there, like ultrasonic cleaners, blowers, diverse cleaning solutions. Then some inks flow better than others.
Dixon doesn't make paper. They make pencils, erasers, chalk, wax markers and rubber bands mostly for the industrial sector.Dixon also distributes Ticonderoga, Prang, Pacon, Tru-Ray, Strathmore, Daler Rowney, Fadeless, Maimeri, Canson, Lyra, Princeton AM and Arches brand products in America. So while Strathmore and Canson products in American stores come from the same Dixon warehouse. They don't come from the same paper mill.
>>7175988They are, but you have to clean them regularly. Plus the type of ink you use matters. If the original owner used an ink that clogged them, then you're out of luck.
I want to get into oil painting.I've done enough research to know I need the paints + solvent + medium (and brushes), but I am not sure whether I should just get a set like pic related or go through the trouble of picking things one by one.I've only got watercolor supplies so far, but I want to try my hand at other mediums. I've also done acrylic painting and I liked it.Also, how do I stop worrying about large canvas paintings taking up lots of space even though I haven't even bought any painting supplies yet besides watercolor?
>>7177363>how do I stop worrying about large canvas paintings taking up lots of spacePaper+two coats of acrylic gesso> but I am not sure whether I should just get a set like pic related or go through the trouble of picking things one by one.If you're serious about painting, hand pick them, learn to mix colors early on.
>>7177368don't even bother with gesso, you can buy oil painting paper that's ready to go, it's the best option for beginners. Then you can sperg out once you get the gist of it.
>>7177363most of the time you can ditch the solvent, or at most a bottle of gamsol to clean your brushes with. You can get some strathmore 300 preprimed canvas paper pads and it will work fine. Handpick some good quality paints. Davinci paints is a really good and reputable brand. You only need a Zorn palette plus ultramarine blue to do figures with.
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>>7179181>falls in your ink pot
Hexagonal barrels and their consequences have been a disaster for the artist race.I cannot even describe how much better the whole atelier autism (side grip, drawing just from the arm, huge paper, nearly 45 degree angle easel) feels when using a round-barreled pencil over an hexagonal one. I wish I could understand the physics of it, but I know I'm not going back.
>>7180139If you're not using a charcoal stick you're a fake atelierfag anyway.
>>7177363look for podcasts featuring george o'hanlon. he is the head of a paint manufacturer that specializes in historical and archival materials. if there is one thing to take from them, it is that do not use oil paint containing zinc oxide. learn to limit your dependence on using solvent early on. even cleaning with it can be damaging on the bristles.many painting methods out there, and which ones you choose from depends ultimately on the style you want to paint in.
how long does these little shits last
>>7180723They last as long as you keep refilling with proper ink. Mine has a metal ball to mix it.
>>7180732I know but I mean, if I do the math maybe it is worthy more for me to just buy the refill if they last really long4 refills are the same price as 14ml of w&n ink for exmple, so if 4 refills are like 10 or 12 mlk of ink I may aswell just buy the refills
>>7180737If you buy in bulk, ink bottles will always be cheaper than refills.But bottles are more likely to go bad than refills unless you're legit going through a couple notebooks a month.
>>7180737The ink in the Pocket Brush is not waterproof or very dark, you're better of refilling with an ink of your choice and putting a metal bearing ball inside the cartridge to mix it up.
>>7177363Don't get a set, they charge too much. If you're just looking to try oil painting and not sure if you'll get serious about it, check on FB marketplace or Freecycling groups for free oil paint that someone's giving away. Good brands are Gamblin and Winsor & Newton. Really old paint from like 50 years ago can still work if it was properly stored. For solvents just use linseed oil or nothing. Look into toxicity info like cadmiums and cobalts, and don't eat your paint.Brushes can also be acquired from garage sales, fb marketplace, freecycling giveaways, art supplies trading groups etc Old brushes work just fine, in fact I prefer really old brushes.
>>7180581I think zinc oxide is supposed to be ok in small amounts. https://gamblincolors.com/zincoxideinartistoilcolors/
I'd like to thank the anon from the last thread who recommended Prismacolor kneaded erasers. They are, in fact, rock hard out of the box (and ugly as shit, they have the color and texture of chewed up gum) but that means I can actually mold them into a shape and have them keep that shape when I erase, or do stuff like tear off chunks and mold them into smaller stumps for detailing. I actually understand why somebody would want to use kneaded erasers now.Meanwhile my Faber Castell ones are super soft to the touch, a joy to shape, and they come in different colors - but they collapse in on themselves as soon as you put them to the paper, because they're so soft.
>>7181230"small amount" can be anywhere from less than 15% to less than 2%. if i recall correctly, more recent testings show that it's even worse than previously suggested by testings from more than 15 years ago, which many information is based on.
>>7182038They don't crumble, they're the best. With soft ones you have to roll them.
>>7180749Kuretake nº 8s have a ball inside of the cartridge already.They're a bit longer than the Pocket Brush pens but I feel the bristles are better.
>>7182218That's where I got my balls. It is indeed better but it has become harder to find depending where you live, the shape of the pen is also one of the best, the Pocket Brush has awful ergonomics imo.
Are cheap light boxes worth it?Like are they gonna last more than a year of daily 1-2h use if kept stationary and clean?
>>7183215i like my cheap lightbox but i couldn't work on it for 1-2h daily. it gets too warm and is really only adequate for copying my rough sketch onto nicer paper.
>>7183215I bought one from aliexpress 8 years ago and it still works. It doesn't get warm but the cable as always been very delicate, and switches off at minimum touch. Does the job fine thought for it's price (it was 12$ before the chinese imports embargo)
>>7156219Has anyone noticed that pastels have consistently gone down in quality the last 8 years? Prisma pastels used to be a great "budget/mid-tier" option for pastel art, and now it feels like only top tier pastels maintain any quality control.
>>7185435This is the case for a lot of the lower range of artist quality stuff, where corners get cut to stave off inflation. For example my prisma Col-erase pencils still have the same great cores but the wood barrel feels like it’s made out of paint chips, it’s so bad. Another one - Sakura pens have the same great ink as always but the nibs are just total dogshit now and the cap on the back goes loose for no reason. Open stock Castell 9000 are made in Indonesia now, same lead but with Goldfaber student-grade lacquer and wood, so they sharpen worse and the paint on the barrel rubs off way quicker than the ones you get from full sets. Conté graphite sticks are now sized for ants and made in China instead of France. There’s probably more examples I’m forgetting to mention.It’s just the world getting shittier due to rampant inflation. These companies don’t want to risk killing their product by pricing out the consumer so they’re cutting corners wherever they can.
>>7185464Forgot to mention how "green" shit only makes products worse and more expensive while remaining equally or worse for the environment. Wood is the most renewable resource but we gotta waste billions of gallons of water making cellulose paper instead of just cutting a three for quality pulp.
>>7185881> Wood is the most renewable resource but we gotta waste billions of gallons of water making cellulose paper instead of just cutting a three for quality pulp.You mean, toilet paper compared to bidet?
