I hate the constant lecturing about morality and ethics in stem. Why should I have to have my experiments approved by some council of roasties to say that the animals and subjects are treated in some random deemed "ethical" manner. the only thing that should matter is the data is replicable in the end.
>>16149972You’re likely a user who uses racial slurs on this site so I can fully understand why morality and ethics doesn’t mesh with you.
>>16149980Its all fictionalized horseshit. How can someone's feelings take precedence over an understanding the material world no matter how temporarily distasteful the actions to acquire understanding might be. I will go so far as to say if you allow childish need for morality to temper your thirst for understanding you shouldn't be doing science.
>>16149987Word salad
Any lecturing about ethics in STEM is hypocritical bullshit when it comes from the same psychopaths who approved of forced injections with that harmful RNA soup. The same "people" supported cruel, inhumane, Kafkaesque policies like e.g. total social and financial destruction of vaxx injured persons for the "crime" of not taking another booster.
>>16149972The worse is these roasties dont know any biology. They insist killing rats must be done with CO2 gas, which they insist its the humane method
We need to have the women in stem to go somewhereA perfect balance between middle management and a real job.
>>16149972lust provoking image time wasting question?
>>16149972slippery slope
>>16149980Niggers kill people and wreck society but you don’t have a problem with them
>>16150063Do you have an... ethical objection?
Ethics is just the way we make dumbasses do actual science instead of just metaphorically blindly blundering about. In the same way people "love science" but don't know how to do anything, people bitch about ethics holding back "real science" but again don't know what they're doing.
>>16150058Nah Sheego is on topic, she is an unethical scientist
>>16149980Go back
>>16150148Why do you hate free speech?
>>16149972>no you don't understand, skinning that dog alive was ESSENTIAL to my research on pain responsesOkay sociopath.
>>16149972Just do it in china. They don't give a shit about animals. They probably experiment on people there too.
>>16149972very based sociopath scientist.>>16150058I like women. as long as it isn't explicit, it shouldn't matter.
>>16150221I'm not a sociopath I'm just too impatient to waste my time with moral signaling for social position that is especially prevalent in socal dynamics with females where female need in group out group preferences for emotional security. We are all dead in the end, we shouldn't enable their emotional safety blankets with no empirical value to get in the way of understanding.
>>16149987>you shouldn't be doing science while incorporating feelingsIroning
>>16150250CS major here. During history class, the teacher kept insisting on how there were many "black female calculators" at NASA when it started. Much of the course kept focusing on women's achievements in this domain and that "everyone can do science!!!!" This is in France btw.yeah, i fucking hate uni. For a fraction of the price i can get the same knowledge from the public library. If only i could have someone pay for my living expenses while i spend my time studying whatever i want.
>>16149972yep. The Fruits of wisdom are worthless without exclusivity.
>>16149972Because it's another angle for nepotism and bureaucracy to get in.
>>16149972Because if you don't listen to the council of roasties, their simps will come beat you up.Argumentum ad Bellum is suprisingly effective.
>>16150742Lol no they give you immunity from your warcrimes for the data and have you help build rockets
Concern about ethics is fine, actually I'd argue that STEMfags don't know and aren't taught enough about the humanities since it's not valued by the market. The bigger problem is that these discussions about ethics are hijacked for self-serving and political purposes.
If your experiment is unethical, people won't want to replicate it. Simple as.
>>16151111Humanities are worthless navel gazing at best and myopic escapism at worst. Nothing of value to be found there
>>16152219If you want navel gazing, look what happens when computer scientists and the like discuss philosophy having read nothing but O'Reilly books and some science fiction. It's always ridiculous and the discussion is always "the world is like a computer (because I don't have the grounding to talk about it in any other way)." STEMfags spend a lot of time thinking in rigidly empirical or formal ways, they benefit from a little philosophical training to contextualize what they're doing more than anyone. Write off the classics at your own peril.
>>16151111>discussions about ethics are hijacked for self-serving and political purposes.Suppose I show up to your discussion and take a negative position (if you need a concrete example, imagine the discussion is about approving an animal experiment proposed by OP, and I'm advocating rejection on grounds of animal rights). How will you decide if I deserve a seat on the opposite side of the table, or should be forcibly expelled on grounds of attempted hijacking "for self-serving and political purposes"?I don't think the dividing line is as clear-cut as you seem to be suggesting, and this is especially consequential as it is effectively a call to censor "unconducive" viewpoints.
>>16149987Most experiments are useless trash. If we stopped letting so many brainlets get into research positions, even less mice would have to die.
>>16150501suicidefuel. I hope it will end soon.
>>16149972You learn ethics to avoid becoming like my old dissertation advisor.>get millions in grants to make art-tech project with autists >never file research plan with IRB>use the money instead to conduct experiments on said autists>present the findings as art at a conference>try to publish the findings as science
There is nothing unethical about experimenting on animals, animals are not people. God made man the master of all living creature, its our right to do with the plants and animals as we please.
>>16149972>why aren't researchers allowed to dissect me while still being alive
>>16150221>as long as it isn't explicit, it shouldn't matterRetarded faggot cuck simp. Bisexual child molester.
>>16155770I kneel... retardGOD
>>16149987>How can someone's feelings take precedence over an understanding the material world no matter how temporarily distasteful the actions to acquire mi understanding might beAgreed bro. Mengele was the last based scientist. All these ethical scientists are cringe.
Just imagine how much better medicine would be if experimenting on chimps was encouraged and widely practiced. Chimps aren't human, you're supposed to treat them inhumanely, humane treatment is reserved for humans. If you don't follow that guideline then you'll end up as a vegan furry that fucks dogs
>>16149972>morality and ethics in stem.Translate to "shitskins and sexually deviants are just as smart and 'normal' as Straight Whites", you will always include at least a brief blurb in every paper you write repeating this and/or how your research will help shitskins and/or LGBTQ+ community.
>>16149980Go to Canada and kill yourself
>>16149980based
>>16149972>ethics HATE>WHY NEEDethics boards are there to check researchers who falsify findings for money or career. As things stand there aren't enough ethics boards to stop corporate and militarist meddling, and (you) want even less?>morality HATE>WHY NEEDScience is an advanced industry; a stable economy and foundational industries are prerequisites. There's barely enough public funds pushed to STEM advancement; delete mass morality and there would not be enough long-stability surplus to support STEM at all.
>>16158747>ethics boards are there to check researchers who falsify findings for money or career.they don't do that, those committees exist to punish people who say wrongthink and replace them with compliant dupes. if they were checking for actual ethics violations then all of the recent plagiarism scandals would never have gotten as far as they did
>>16149972Philosophy is key to any actual quality STEM education. If you don't understand the philosophical underpinnings of modern science, you don't have any framework by which to interpret the meaning of your results/contributions.Similarly, without ethics you have no guiding principles by which you can decide even pragmatic things like "which problem should I focus on" if you have multiple that are important and you can only fully commit to one. Ethics is fundamentally the philosophy of value, not just from a moral perspective (which is important) but also in the sense that ethics allow you to orient yourself in a world that wants to see you fail. Ethics are how you become virtuous in a world full of vice and nihilism.
>>16160197Please do not talk about philosophy. You obviously know nothing about it.
>>16160205Nice rebuttal retard.
>>16160207Oh shut up, pseud. Your shallow highschool platitudes do not make you intellectually superior to scientists. On the contrary, you only sound cringe af.
