>>27666085There is nothing wrong with this.
>>27666085zamn issa porsch or sumn?
>>27666085this car is the reason why France is still a republic
>>27666303yes
>>27666325Like 3x iirc? They really hated him lmao.
Pass it over, I'll have a puff too.
>>27666085Fantomas!
What would ride best: CX, Xantia or C5 (X7)?DSs are too expensive unfortunately
>>27669330C5x for most recent one or Xantia for genuine hydropneumatics
>>27666085Rolls Royce used a licence for the suspension from Citroen for decades.Some of their smokes were good.
>>27669330C5(x7) is best on motorways, because it´s got the best soundproofing. The cx will be the best on country and city roads, because it´s by far the softest and it has the most suspension travel. The xantia is somewhat inbetween the cx and the c5, but in compensation it will have by far the best handling even if it´s not one of the really special models with activa suspension, as it´s got the best weight distribution and compact size.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2cWulz_D9QThey are genuinely different enough that it depends on your preferences.
>>27669330C6 for the final evolution of hydropneumatics
The DS is butt-ugly and anyone who thinks so is retarded.
>>27670095Good thing you don't design cars.https://www.carbodydesign.com/archive/2009/02/09-citroen-ds-most-beautiful-car/
>>27670095kill yourself
>>27670095you strike me as the sort of goysumer who thinks the lamborghini urus is peak automotive design
>>27666303>>27666419It´s even closer than you´d think, the ds was originally supposed to be powered by a front mounted, air cooled aluminium flat 6 derived from the 2cv engine before it turned out the engine was too underpowered and fuel hungry to be worth it.
>>27670121Not even the most beautiful Citroen.
>>27670276
>>27666833>'girls stuck in snow with the cars' was already a fetish 70 years agofucking hell
>>27670086>>27669330c5 (x7) is essentially a c6 without fameless doors.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-XRXf7sRy4
>>27666085they were smoking dicks.... faggot cars.
>>27670283>my diaper is full
alphonse is a dumb gorilla nigger
>>27670514>he doesn´t know the seats fold down and transform the interior into a supremely comfortable bed good for some night action.
>>27666833Dayum…And this is probably from the user manual.Now you have to put Dora the Explorer to be inclusive, as of any woman has ever put chains on. They used to marry so they would never have to deal with tasks this miserable.
>>27670095We found the F150 guy.The DS is peak automotive elegance, you bloody ogre.
>>27667384Good one.
>>27670646Some man on man action huh
>>27671195Hon hon hon!
>>27670646What is it with the French and this specific feature?
>>27671419Probably has something to do with Jamals living in their houses
>>27669330can i choose BX
>>27670276I'm not a Citroen expert, but my impression is that they never posessed an engineering culture capable of designing high performance engines.
>>27672696>my impression is that they never posessed an engineering cultureNot heard of bugatti?
>>27672700Yes, he was an Italian immigrant who founded the eponymous car maker. I'm not sure what this has to do with the engineering culture at Citroen. Maybe you have misread my post.
>>27672711>misread my postyes I did
>>27672696More like the french government and french public don't have the desire for high performance engines, citroen engineers tried many things before being sold to peugeot like dohc 16valve heads, supercharged v4´s, v6 and v8 engines, and even developing wankel engines alongside NSU before mazda had a go at it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQoQ31lQTuYhttps://www.citroenet.org.uk/passenger-cars/michelin/ds/engines.html
>>27671419Something like 80% of French married couples are having an affair
>>27672763>citroen engineers tried many things before being sold to peugeot like dohc 16valve heads, supercharged v4´s, v6 and v8 enginesI'm sure they tried a lot of things but I have not seeing any evidence that those things were good. Wankel engines were a fad of those years and almost every automaker experimented with them.
>>27672826I'm not seeing reasons to doubt them being capable of developing high performance engines, when the reason why their attempts were halted is because management didn't see high enough volume of production to justify their investment. They bought out maserati to be able to produce larger engines in a big enough scale, yet the extremely experienced maserati engineer giulio alfieri ended up producing a v6 with seriously flawed valvetrain components. Within citroen the designer of the 2cv engine walter bechia mostly designed grand prix race cars inbetween ww1 and ww2, while the sainturat pushrod engine redesigned by cordier with hemi heads and fitted with bosh fuel injection was producing 140 cv as 2.2 liter, which is about comparable to the 131 hp of 2l alfa twin cam of the period.
The 2 stroke supercharged v4 was also really interesting, as instead of driving a roots supercharger directly from the crankshaft they used a small, completely separate engine to drive a more efficient centrifugal supercharger, which allowed full boost throughout the entire rev range if needed.
>>27672973>they used a small, completely separate engine to drive a more efficient centrifugal supercharger, which allowed full boost throughout the entire rev range if needed.Why are the French like that. It's like they are a mix of 10% brilliance and 90% retardness.
>>27673013The French copy no one, and no one copies the French.
I'm looking for a stylish daily, something that has an actual design and it's not the average anonymous wagemobile. The DS has always been one of my dream cars, and there are a couple seemingly in good shape for €15k in my area. How unadvisable would it be to get one as my only car? Alternatively there's a CX 2000 for sale in my town for 7k, which isn't as pretty, but it's still interesting.
>>27673050The rivalry between the french and the anglo is cute, but there are too many french words in english speaking automotive technology to take that sentence seriously (chassis, hotchkiss drive, de dion axle, panhard rod, ravigneux planetary gearset, monocoque, etc), not to mention stuff that was invented by the french and then adopted by other countries, like the v8 engine.
>>27673703The main problem with both the ds and the cx is rust, as they are often too affordable to justify the cost of full on body stripping and coating. Assuming there's no rust issues, the 2nd most important thing is knowing how to work on them (or knowing someone who does), because while they are reliable and can do hundreds of thousands of miles easily and trouble free, they can be ruined very easily by incompetent mechanics. The parts themselves are affordable and easy to work on, but are rare and often need specialized tools.For example if you put brake fluid instead of lhm in the system, better be ready to flush the entire thing because if you won´t you will be stranded on the road when the seals break down and the whole thing needs to be rebuilt. The car can continuously hop up and down if the height correctors aren´t adjusted properly. And you´ll need to wait half a minute everyday after you've started the car to allow the suspension to raise the car to the normal position.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUCD22rNpYcBeing able to deal with crap roads is worth it though.
>>27670095So, I'm retarded if I think it's butt-ugly?
>>27673703A DS or CX as your only daily driver would be a brave choice. A BX or XM would be easier to live with every day while still having that Citroen individuality. I daily a Xantia, which Citroen deliberately toned down to appeal to normies, but that's a great compromise between classic Citroen weirdness and mass-market conservatism. The build quality is excellent, plus it's reliable, handles well and rides as a hydropneumatic Citroen should. They also have less rust problems than a BX and less electrical issues than XMs.
>>27673719>>27673868I figured as much. Being a poorfag doesn't help either. A shame, I'm really struggling to find something that suits my taste and budget. The Xantia looks too much like every other boring sedan from the '90s. The Twingo is a meme: I love it, it looks good, it's spacious, it's reliable, but I had it ten years ago and I know too well how much of an econobox it is anyway, also decent ones nowadays sell for stupid prices.
>>27673952Rust protection only took off in the mid 80's, so most young timers people still daily drive are from that period onwards (particularly the mid 90's), especially if they were fitted with fuel injection instead of carburetors. This means that late model citroen cx's (after 1985) are already a safer bet on that respect as they offered a six year anti-corrosion warranty in the period, and they don´t suffer the electrical gremlins of early xm´s.As for alternatives in terms of french barges with character, there are the later models of the 604/505, as well as the renault 25 or 21.
>>27674087I see, thanks.>French barges with characterNot looking for barges specifically, nor French to be honesg, just character, which sometimes French cars have in spades. Later models, all the '80s and '90s boxes, I actively dislike, they look literally all the same. No wonder the Twingo was such a massive successful with such a radically happy and round design.
>>27673703I daily drove my DS till I spun a bearing or something a few weeks ago. That engine rebuild is gonna be done by a pro, but I've done all the other work myself.You live in Europe, where Citroen mechanics and parts are more plentiful than in California. Take your time, join the mailing lists, find a good one, and enjoy it. Don't let your dreams be memes.
>>27675995
The body roll makes cornering exciting.
>>27666085This is peak 1960’s International / modernism. It’s like Le Corbusier and Mies van der Rohe designed a car.These dudes were fucking cooking and they knew they were the best. So much angst yet optimism.
>>27678529>This is peak 1960’s International / modernism. It’s like Le Corbusier and Mies van der Rohe designed a car.The fuck are you talking about, the DS was designed in the early to mid 50s and unveiled in 1955
>>27678529corbusier designed a car, it didn´t look like a ds...
>>27678541Dude the 1950’s is still modernism, read a book lol.>>27678558>a non-functioning concept car sculpture from 1936 and yet still looks like something citron would make.Are you trying to prove me Right?
>>27678558It looks like 2CV that wanted to become a Tatra
>>27678573The concept car was kind of adapted into a production car by corbusier´s favourite car maker though.
>>27678581>decades later, Giorgietto Giugiaro of Italdesign created a full-scale model in 1987 for L’Aventure Le Corbusier: 1887-1965, an exhibition held at the Pompidou Centre in Paris. Le Corbusier had nothing to do with that car or the automotive industry in General. The design sketch was a draft for a design competition.Why are you grasping at straws?
>>27678592Le corbusier drove a voisin and loved it so much he insisted in showing it alongside his houses (hell he even named his plan for redoing paris the plan voisin!), and there's no way he didn't influence his friend to produce a lightweight people's car considering the visual similarity between the designs.
>>27678573>Dude the 1950’s is still modernism, read a book lol.And the DS is not modernist, what are you smoking to see the elegant swooping lines of the DS in Le Corbusier's buildings?
>Citroën XM stationwagon 2.1 turbo diesel 540 000 km on the odometer. Need it or keep it
>>27678873>XM wagonGigabased>2.1 turbodieselBetter to work on than the V6I do, however, really hope you or your local mechanic knows their way around hydropneumatics
