Seed Freedom is about to hit North American theaters in less than 48 hours, are you anons hyped!? You fucks ready to rumble!? You anons got SEED on the brain!?IGNITED! INVOKE!
I fucking hate SEED but hope that anyone out to watch the movie has a good time.
>>22616010I'm gonna watch it tomorrow with some of my cousins. I wonder how they would react to the Cagalli jumpscare
>>22616010>>22617879Got my tickets the day it was announced. Ready to go in a few hours. Time to watch some real Gundam. GBITCH BTFO.
>>22615945It's time!
>>22616010I don't like SEED much either and not even because of Destiny (though it didn't help). Regardless it's been 20 years since it aired and I'm willing to revisit things and see how/if the perspectives of the director/writer have changed in that time.Gonna see it in a few hours myself.
Really impressed that Fukuda realized the ending of Destiny was so shit that he needed to go back and do it again.
Fukuda has the subtlety of a drunk horse in a mirror’s storeAnd I didn’t have “Shinn has his own personal newtype yandere ghost guarding his brain in my bingo card.”
Wow that was fun. I'd see it again if I could. Unfortunately that would mean seeing the dub and I dont want to do that
>>22618432It was exactly what I wanted, except played for laughs. Kinda weird since the finales of SEED and SEED Destiny are treated seriously.
Everyone cheered when Athrun punched the emo out of Kira and pretty much every time he did something awesome. They even cheered when Shinn went full ape but they were completely quiet when Meteor started playing and Kira got his big moment.
>theatre full of normies going there with their friends and gfs>it’s like a massive social event to them>they laugh at every anime cringe dialogue line or fanserviceWell that sucked
>>22618484>>22618503My theater was very quiet. Nobody made any noise the entire time. I'm thankful for that. It was a great experience
>>22618503Everyone laughed at Shinn squeezing Hilda's tit, Athrun's horny thoughts, and Stella jumpscaring the Black Knights. They also clapped when Shinn achieved a triple kill with the Destiny.For me, my favorite moment was Kira going "I lived bitch" to Aura while Shura was utterly flabbergasted at how the fuck did he live when a nuke was dropped on his ass.
Does the director for this have a fetish for dick sucking lips? Every single female had them, even the loli babaI do not remember it being this bad in the anime.
>>22618518Same.
>>22618592It was reserved for older women before, like Murrue and Hilda. So I assumed it was supposed to show the girls were growing up.but then like you said, the lolibaba had it. So I guess it was an art style change thing?
>>22618503There were only 4 people on mine including myself.Nobody knew each other and we sat in 4 different rows without anyone being directly behind/in front of the other, and we watched in silence.
Really enjoyed it. I liked how it fixed up Destiny's ending and added a lot of fanservice, most of which didn't feel too corny (Stuff like "the Badgiruel manuever"). Probably one of the better Gundam moviesHopefully this is the end for CE because the powerlevels are so fucking spiked now, esp since coordinators are becoming newtypes.Lacus was so fucking hot in her suit
It was a fucking great movie. This is the Gundam I fucking love. We need more stuff like this none of that gtroon or garbage ass ibo. My boy Shin dicking 3 black knights on his own plus destroying the new requiem was awesome. Wish we had gotten this Shin in Destiny. Athrun also showing he is the best pilot in Seed bar none was awesome. Lots of great call backs and fan service. Awesome movie. I hope Sunrise realizes that people want this kind of Gundam.
>>22618464At least you didn't get bamboozled by your local cinema chain:>Bought tickets around a month ago expecting JP audio with EN sub only since there was only one screening available during that time>Arrived at the theatre today and suddenly there is another screening available a few hours after that mentions JP audio w/ EN subs>Checked the sales terminal and saw that EN dub is for tomorrow so I thought I would be safe>Still got the EN dub in the first screening anywayWhile I had a good time and had plenty of laughs but fuck you Cineplex anyway since LAKUZ CLYNE will forever live in my head rent free.>>22618623Can't forget we now have fusion in CE which might make nuclear fission as a power source moot
It was peak.
All I have to say is Kira is a lucky guy
>>22618649FUCK Cineplex.
>>22618685I'm jealous. When Meer was introduced in Destiny I said "Oh great a single Lacus just for me" then... well you know what happens
>>22618649Happened to my friend in long island ny too. They were like we never got the sub and just gave everyone free tickets for the sub. Makes no sense since they said they never got it.
For us they also played a message from the jp voice cast. Can I just say how absolutely fucking hot Rie Tanaka is?
>>22618708I didn't notice because I was struck with dread that Shinn's VO was in the intro which meant he was in the movie more than Arthrun and I despise Shinn.It was fine since Shinn is essentially characterless
>>22618708Did they show the interview with Fukuda? That was nice.
The last week has been a trip. I rewatched all 100 episodes of SEED/Destiny leading up to tonight. It was very nostalgic and honestly I felt kind of emotional during the ending of the movie.
>>22618713I'm glad he got his ghost schizo gf though
>>226159457/10 movie. The final final battle almost becomes a parody of all SNEED fights. I've done my part, it's time for Bandai to release Hathaway 2 in the west properly
Just got back from the theater. My thought was basically>"I don't get it, why was everyone calling this schizokino? It's a perfectly fine movie purely from a filmmaking perspective but nothing is that crazy, what were they talking ab-">last half hour>mfw
Man I really want to see more mecha kino on the big screen. I'm still pretty wired from tonight but I know I'll feel empty tomorrow. I want to see another one
>>22618518Everyone in my theater laughed at the whole "why can't I read his mind? How empty is his head?!"
When Stella becomes a monster, was she supposed to look like a God Warrior from Nausicaa?
Man, Lacus' space suit was fucking retarded. It reminded me of something from Darling in the Fran. Also, plot was kinda cliche as fuck, but thankfully I only watch it for mechs beating the shit out of each other
Not many people would watch CCA and say, "you know what my movie needs? Its own Quess!" but I guess Fukuda is just an unorthodox man
>>22618854Fuck no. The womb tattoo on the suit was peak.
>>22618859Seriously, and the worst part is that I could see some traces of potential, her mentioning how she was better than Shinn in the academy, instead of being a woman doing woman shit to be defeated by Luna she could have been a mirror of second half of Destiny Shinn for him to defeat before he, his living girlfriend and his dead girlfriend Unga’d all over the Black Knights.
>>22618874I mean I get what they were going for. The bad guys lost because unlike the good guys, their never felt real love. And she was like Quess in that she never had true feelings for anyone and instead just latched onto whoever would accept her.
Gundam SEED FreedomJust came back from seeing this in theaters subtitled. There was an issue where the projector was not set up correctly, so the image was warped and the subtitles were cut off so no one could see what was being said. Ran down and told an employee and five minutes later staff came in and fix it, and asked if they should restart the movie from the beginning and we said yes. Pretty nice of them.As for the movie itself, I feel like it would have been better served as a third season. There is too much stuff in this movie. The movie moves at a frenetic pace. There is near constant dialogue, and we are introduced to characters but given little time to actually get invested in them. On the microlevel, the movie is constantly cutting every 2 to 3 seconds. You never get a moment where the camera just rests on a cut and breathes. (Spoilers) the Archangel gets blown up for real but you never really feel loss because the movie immediately moves on. During the climatic battle, the heroes pull out of thin air a new magic laser cannon that bisect fleets of enemy battleships. In a show this would have been better set up.The movie also performs some retcons, though these were necessary. After Destiny, it was confusing how there could possibly be a movie when ZAFT and the Earth Federation had been fought and defeated. Twice. And there were no other named factions in the setting that could become a threat. This movie retcons 1. Blue Cosmos' demise at the end of Destiny, so they are continuing to fight, and 2. retcons in another major Earth nation that accepts Coordinators besides ORB.1/2
>>226189092/2The movie overall looks okay. The 3D CGI mechs I was dreading were there, but didn't look quite as bad as in the Hathaway Movie or in Unicorn. Also, the mechs are drawn as 2D most of the time. I only really remember the 3D CGI mechs appearing in the opening battle, and during the runway takeoff sequences.This movie is the highest grossing Gundam movie ever in Japan, so I went in expecting it to be comparable to CCA or F91, but it doesn't live up to either in terms of production values or timeless aesthetic value.The movie echoes the same despair of Japanese popculture. As usual, the antagonists point out the evil nature of the world and try coming up with pragmatic solutions to it. As usual, the designated protagonists oppose them, and espouse empty platitudes that fail to give a convincing justification. "Sure, the world sucks, and no matter how hard we try to stamp out evil and build good civilizations, people will continue being evil and the civilizations we build will crumble. But we must keep trying! Just because!". It feels hollow without the promise of an ultimate, final vindication and restoration by an almighty God who will stamp out sin forever and build a civilization that will never need to be avenged.Movie was overall fun enough.
>>22618910>As usual, the antagonists point out the evil nature of the world and try coming up with pragmatic solutions to it.It's literally just space communism/fascism. And ultimately the main problem is that it doesn't work if you give people the choice to opt out. That's the thing about socialist and fascist systems, if they aren't all-encompassing then any outside forms of thought are an inherent threat to the system because of their ability to compete with it. This is why in every communist and fascist country, the first people they kill after securing power is adherents of other, different forms of their own ideology, like Nazi Germany did with the Strasserites who were closer to Italian Classical Fascists than National Socialism, and why the Stalinists killed the Trotskyites. These systems are inherently flawed in that they're not capable of actually standing up to scrutiny when allowed to debate on the efficacy of their policies (usually because they can't do math when asked how to pay for this shit), they don't believe in an open and free forum of ideas, and their only way of dealing with dissent is to reduce people to a fine pink mist.Durandal was no different, the Destiny Plan can ONLY work if no one is able to oppose it or offer a different idea
My tl;dr thoughts are: If you liked SEED, you'll probably love this movie. It has a lot of fanservice for SEED fans and it's basically like a more elaborate (and more well-done) version of Destiny's plot.As someone who never liked SEED very much (even the first series), this movie basically has all the little annoyances that SEED has always had for me, but it definitely felt more thought-out than the TV shows did.A lot of the good has been mentioned by others:-Someone finally calls Kira out for being a weak willed pussy and smacks him around-The story felt thematically cohesive compared to previous entries-Their way of beating the villains' mind reading/control through Shinn being a retard and Athrun being horny was both hilarious and something that actually makes some logical senseStuff I don't like so much:-The Gundams in CE still feel way too fucking overpowered. Why do other suits even exist if tech like the Akatsuki's nigh-invincibility armor exists? Just make everything out of that shit.-Fukuda still has the bad habit of "I'm gonna throw in powers/gadgets from every other Gundam show" without thinking of how it affects his own universe. You have newtypes, psychics, and mind control powers flying around and these powers come and go as is convenient for the plot. Why is this series even called SEED when it's one of the lamer powerups you can get in this timeline?-Being the same basic plot of Destiny's, they give the heroes a pretty trite answer to the villain's philosophies and the entire conflict is kinda dumb if you think about it- it also runs into the same issue I had with Durandal, where they make some kind of sense but then they just go directly to the "follow our worldview or we'll shoot you with a giant laser" plan instead of being more insidious like they were in the first half of the movie-Shinn is just a comic relief underling of Kira's now, but at least he's kinda likable in a puppy dog way
>>22618988Regarding Akatsuki's Yata-no-Kagami, it is still vulnerable to physical weapons (remember it still got its left arm sliced off by Destiny's beam boomerang in Destiny) and tech itself appeared to be stupidly expensive so mass production is kind of pointless since there are still a lot of physical weapons around.
i loved it
>>22618910>The movie echoes the same despair of Japanese popculture. As usual, the antagonists point out the evil nature of the world and try coming up with pragmatic solutions to it. As usual, the designated protagonists oppose them, and espouse empty platitudes that fail to give a convincing justification.I don't think it's really fair to fault a movie for not proposing effective solutions to injustices reflecting messy real-world conflicts or philosophical quandaries. Yeah you can say the heroes are spouting platitudes and are talking from a position of privilege, but ultimately they are also right- removing free will from humanity is never going to be an effective solution.I will agree it speaks to a fundamental problem that's always been a part of SEED though, which is that the way these characters are written just feels way too disconnected- Kira and Lacus feel so perfect in their morality and things turning out okay for them for the most part that it's hard to relate to them talking about facing down suffering. It just makes them seem like those millionaires who go "anyone can do it, just work harder and things will turn out fine bro". The movie doesn't seem very interested in truly exploring why a downtrodden person might buy into the Destiny Plan, though I would say that was a bigger issue I had with the TV show than a movie, since the latter has a much more limited runtime.
RIP Archangel. You were one of my favorite home base ships and got taken out by a bunch of brats.
>>22618896Did Flay ever feel real love?
>>22619005>The movie doesn't seem very interested in truly exploring why a downtrodden person might buy into the Destiny PlanNta but LoGH already basically answered this in its dictatorship vs democracy argument: because people want easy answers when things suck and solutions aren't happening fast enough. That's all it really comes down to, people willingly give up their own self-determination out of convenience.
>>22619005>The movie doesn't seem very interested in truly exploring why a downtrodden person might buy into the Destiny PlanWould those who are disadvantaged and downtrodden (which will most likely be Naturals anyway) actually buy into Destiny Plan when there is a good chance that they will be designated as "lower class people" as they will probably perform worse compared to Coordinators?
>>22619028Depends on how the Destiny Plan structures things to accommodate them. If "lower rungs" just means they have to, say, do blue collar work that still gives them a decent living, is that truly so bad? One thing they also failed to address in this movie is the whole fertility issue with the Coordinators- I always just assumed that the Destiny Plan might pair up Coordinators and Naturals as needed to ensure the long term survival of humanity (and discourage further conflict between them).You can see similar things in real life too. People who are on the lower rungs of society or even just people who felt like they put in the work but didn't get what they were "promised" in life, a lot of them might have genuinely put in the work but got dicked over somehow. Maybe they're wrong when they think that, but some people are just supremely unlucky in life. For people like that, the Destiny Plan would start sounding kinda attractive- you don't have to worry about things going wrong, the plan will solve it. You'll get a happy life if you follow the plan.Or for the angle the movie is going for, you don't have to spend all your time worrying about fixing every last problem with yourself, putting yourself out there, be willing to offer all your love- only to be all but told you are not worth loving- you will be assigned someone to love, someone who is *genetically* perfect for you so know you are compatible on some level so it's not even really "forcing" things.
All I know is that in 6 years that Destiny’s finisher is gonna look sweet in the SRW game. And just like with Wing and 00, we will never see the TV series of Seed or Destiny featured ever again. Also Bizon, Orphe and Embryo are friends for cuckhold reasons!
>>22619071And much like so many other series, the MS I personally liked way more (Rising Freedom) will either be a less impressive unit or just absent in the second half of games because it was the non-upgraded one that gets scrapped halfway through the series/movie. Many such cases. I liked the Aegis and Savior more than the Justices too.
Lacus' "don't despair! You will find someone who loves you, now or in the future" speech ath the denounement rings hollow in today's world where men reach their mid 30s still not having the capital to support a family and cannot find a good girl.
>>22619078And remember she's not even talking about just having a family...she's talking about unconditional, perfect love that only a small percentage of the population will truly ever experience. Some people don't even get that from their parents.
>>22619039>One thing they also failed to address in this movie is the whole fertility issue with the Coordinators- I always just assumed that the Destiny Plan might pair up Coordinators and Naturals as needed to ensure the long term survival of humanity (and discourage further conflict between them).To be fair the issue was only brought up twice in SEED and Desrinty where Siegel Clyne mentioned it in a failed attempt to stop Patrick Zala from escalating the war while Zala rebuffed him and basically went "We can SCIENCE our way out of this" and the whole "Durandal got cucked" business. With that said I'm baffled at the fact that Durandal was only 32 years old in Destiny, which means that he was only at around 14/15 years old when he was working with Aura in Mendel (19 year before SEED Freedom / CE 56)
>>22619090>I'm baffled at the fact that Durandal was only 32 years old in Destiny, which means that he was only at around 14/15 years old when he was working with Aura in MendelI mean...remember what Coordinators are capable of. In the second episode or whatever of SEED you see Kira reprogramming shit at a level that would be impossible for any normal person, even someone doing that one skill their whole life. It's probably the same reason the infertility thing was even thought of- they needed SOME kind of justification for why Coordinators didn't just immediately steamroll the shit out of Naturals when a single Coordinator is probably smarter than an entire room of Naturals.
>>22619071>And just like with Wing and 00, we will never see the TV series of Seed or Destiny featured ever again.At least the three can be real movie bros now.>>22619075Yeah I also preferred Rising (and Immortal and also the Murasame Kai) over the rest of the designs.Hopefully when Freedom is added into SRW they let you use the Rising for at least a good while.
>>22619078You're not entitled to have someone Orphee. Get over it and go back to bed.
>>22618649>>22618692>Bought tickets around a month agoYeah, you guys are stupid
>>22619136Orphee actually had it all. Good looks, brains, power, and a girl who truly loved him. He was just too blind to see it.
>>22618910>empty platitudes that fail to give a convincing justificationAs opposed to eugenics which is totally progressive, right?
It kinda seems to me that the Destiny Plan really shouldn't need the step where they threaten everyone else with a big laser. Just show everyone how prosperous you got by predetermining all your humans in your ant farm. Kinda like how PLANT shat all over Naturals simply because they were genetically superior. Eventually you'll either brain drain a lot of the remaining nations or provoke attack because of your superiority being an implicit threat, but if you have all the geniuses on your side just build really good defenses and show you are morally superior too.Honestly that would be a way more interesting conflict IMO, but probably more fitting for a Star Trek episode or something.
>>22619247my biggest problem with the movie is they STILL don't dispute the destiny plan at all. sure love yes yes but that's more of an argument over the antagonist speal rather than the destiny plan itself. well honestly my biggest problem was Kira and Lacus. more character development is great but holy fuck anytime they opened Kira, Lacus, Orphee, that blue haired girl opened their mouth I was fucking laughing my ass off. god that drama was so retarded.
>>22619247The Destiny Plan is just eugenics and a caste system rolled into one. Humanity will naturally reject it when given a choice because a lot of people prefer the ability to choose for themselves even if there's only one option that's available. Naturals especially have a lot to lose because they're going to be thrown down to the bottom rung and only people like Mwu who has superior genes are going to be selected as being worthy and intermingling with the coordinators.
>>22619312>>22618910You don't need a counter-manifesto to justify opposing someone who wants to conquer you and force you to live in accordance with their ideology. Enslavement is still enslavement even if you promise that slavery's going to come with a guaranteed job and waifu.
>>22619323what's stopping someone from just using it for a single plant and live in harmony away from the conflict of other people. the main reason kira stopped durandal and orphee was mostly because they're both fucking with him first.
>>22619313You're right about a lot of it, but the way it's presented in the movie is so reductive and the heroes don't actually address the problem. The people who are getting fucked by the system still get fucked, and Lacus's argument against that is to essentially shrug her shoulders while masking it behind pretty words about love and free will. She's probably not ethically wrong, but her actual argument is pretty shit and completely sidesteps the issues at hand.While it's true in the Destiny Plan Naturals will probably be stuck with the shitty jobs (probably mostly physical labor since that seems to be the only thing they can stay competitive with Coordinators on), that's also ignoring the fact that this society is kinda fucked- if they don't do something, this same caste system going to naturally emerge anyway from Coordinators being so far beyond Naturals, except probably way worse (and assuming they don't just go to war again over this shit). It's hard not to see some of the logic in the Destiny Plan at least in the context of the Cosmic Era.And if you consider the possibility that the Accords are beyond Coordinators the same way Coordinators are beyond Naturals, it just makes Lacus and co. look even more evil, because essentially what they've done is destroyed the most threatening thing to Coordinators being on top so they can keep the status quo, while dressing it up as them fighting for the freedom of all.I don't think any of this was intended by Fukuda of course, but I think it just shows how little they thought through the implications of the concepts in this continuity.
>>22618909>There was an issue where the projector was not set up correctly, so the image was warped and the subtitles were cut offHello fellow Bostonian
>>22619327i think the biggest problem is the show/movies never really show coordinators being better than naturals. they tell you that's the case but it's barely a thing. if it was more like coordinators were more like accords aka psychics than yeah okay i see the whole speal but there's barely a difference between Coordinators and Naturals in what you're shown. and it's mostly because there's like barely any good natural pilots other than mu and he's a special exception.
>>22619327No. It wouldn't have turned out the same way if you left it up to people because a lot of people don't do things based on what they're theoretically good at. For example, someone might come from a family that's meant for athletics but he decides to be a scholar instead. We might have a natural who ends up becoming a career politician because while he's better at people skills and that's something that the plan can't truly account for by looking at genetics.
>>22619325>what's stopping someone from just using it for a single plant and live in harmony away from the conflict of other people.They did exactly that on Mars, because the living conditions on Mars were too harsh to allow any wasted resources and so they needed to have something similar to the Destiny Plan, and everyone's fine with it. You can do whatever you want with your own country. The problem with the Destiny Plan was always the part where Durandal wanted to force it on everybody because like >>22618924 said, the only way the Destiny Plan works is if everyone has to buy in. On Mars they have to buy in because of external pressures, but in the Earth Sphere ultimately the only way you can make it so everyone has to buy in is to threaten them with death by space laser if they don't. People will not give up their autonomy just because your ideology thinks that would be really cool.
>>22619331IIRC coordinators were shown to be master programmers and such in their teenage years like with Kira and Athrun's unit far beyond what any reasonable human being could probably achieve even with a lifetime of practice.Kira might be a special case since he was the Ultimate Coordinator (now seemingly retconned to being a failed Accord prototype which gives him his limited Newtype-like abilities), but even if we assume Coordinators have to be genetically engineered to only excel at one particular thing, and only for mental tasks, that still means many companies would never hire any Naturals when a single Coordinator could probably run circles around a whole room of Naturals in a fraction of the time.>>22619338This argument makes the most sense when you're comparing between Naturals with Naturals and Coordinators with other Coordinators. Based on what little the show gives us, it seems like Coordinators are so far beyond Naturals that eventually if you allowed society to just go on the way it is, certain industries would probably be Coordinator dominant, and Naturals would have no choice but to fill out the less desirable jobs, and that's assuming this inequity doesn't boil over into hostilities, which is probably part of what the Destiny Plan wants to prevent.Stopping the Destiny Plan because its against the free will of humans is all well and good, but it seems that when Lacus is pressed on the imperfections of the world, she doesn't have a real answer- which is fine if you're trying to show the heroes know their perspective is imperfect, but instead they just have her say things like "you have to have faith/keep trying", which seems more like the words of a con artist or at least someone who is bewilderingly naive. Of course, the irony here might be that since Lacus is an Accord designed to be the leader of humanity, that charismatic optimism was probably programmed into her to make her a more attractive leader.
>>22619150It was mostly Aura's fault for constantly telling him that Lacus was literally built for his cock, and him believing it.
>>22618757>I've done my part, it's time for Bandai to release Hathaway 2 in the west properlyAnon...H2 has been cancelled. You haven't heard?
>>22619358What kind of answer do you want from Lacus? There is no clear cut solution to problem presented because each individual's circumstances are ever so slightly different and that's enough to completely change the efficacy of such a plan.
>>22619358Again, for anyone saying, Aura is just sourgraping because Ulen thinks of something else as the pinnacle of Genetic Manipulation.
>>22619411My issue isn't that Lacus doesn't have an answer, because I recognize there isn't an easy one- my problem is more with the way the Cosmic Era characters and concepts are generally written. This whole conversation we're having right now- that's what the movie should be talking about. You know, actually exploring the implications of the scifi concepts they've introduced.It's easy to make the Destiny Plan and the concepts it introduces look dumb when basically everybody supporting it in the movie is a jilted lover or a megalomaniac who wants to blow up the Earth. It's close to being the "I AM SILLY" meme in fictional writing form.It doesn't even make the movie bad necessarily, but it's just an extension of my frustrations with CE in general- missed opportunity.
>>22619078You don't need money to have children, anon. Otherwise the poor wouldn't be so numerous.So no, financials is not what's ACTUALLY stopping people from starting a family, they're just too risk-averse for their own good.
>>22619491Are you aware of the idea of social programs to benefit the poor and how benefits cliffs actually penalize people for earning above certain thresholds and cut off their benefits, leaving them with less resources than if they were underemployed?
>>22619491Anon...anyone can have kids, but if you want to raise them properly into proper adults then you need money and resources.
>tfw Destiny's theme kicks in
>>22619494People have 10 kids in countries where social programs don't even exist
>>22619520That's a city problem, if you live out in the sticks then suddenly those economic burdens have turned into an economic boon because you've got free (well, "free") farm labor on your hands.
>The Justice's horn was a fucking beamsaber all along
>>22619330Californian
>>22619071>Bizonthat show is never going to be in SRW again, ever
>>22619146I know it was dumb but the theater was basically full with the exception of the front row seats and it was almost sold out even an month ago.>>22619761Is Leonard a big enough cuck to be Bizon's substitute or no?
>>22619760My condolences
>>22619760That's hilarious. How can they botch the projection in so many disparate theaters?My showing was full of Asians, I thought white nerds would be the majority
>>22619583Yeah, and they're generally malnourished. It's why immigrants' kids are often 6-8 inches taller than their parents if raised in a first world country.
>>22619790I saw blacks and asians.
>>22619793>Yeah, and they're generally malnourished.You can always make more if some don't make it.
>>22619790I live in a fairly white part of the city so my screening was basically all white people. You could tell most of the girls were fujos though, there was just an aura to it, though one looked like a scene girl there with her bf.
>>22619826Yes. That's not a choice in developed nations where CPS will take your kids from you if you so much as mention that you don't agree with men turning into women because they said they did.
>>22619834I live in SEA, they're not gonna do shit.
>>22619829Scene girls still exist in the year 2024? It's terrifying to think that people who watched SEED as teens could be taking their kids to the debut of SEED Freedom.
Kira the chad vs Orphee the virgin
Did I miss something, or did they never explain who this kid was? I didn't see him do anything either, he might as well have not been there.
>>22619924>Orphee>Mere virginMore like extra virgin since he doesn't realize he has someone who loves him all along due to his obsession with LAKUZ.>>22620144The official Japanese site stated that he is working under Cagalli as her secretary, the last name also implies that he belongs to one of the five major families (the same five that committed sudoku in SEED) of ORB as well.
>>22620144He's an Accord, specifically one thats supposed to be super charismatic and a leader. Essentially male Lacus (which I think is why he is so infatuated with her)
>>22620144That whole plotline is dumb. He's just some 10 year old kid that Cagalli wants to "train" to be the next Prime Minister. Instead of just handing the position off to an experienced adult that she trusts.
I'm confused why Shura would be obsessed with Athrun instead of blue frame guy from astray. Isn't he the real ultimate soldier? Or whatever Astray isn't canon
>>22620194Surprised we haven't gotten a new Astray yet.
>>22620194Even IFF Astray somehow counts besides being used as a crutch explaining why Kira survived in SEED, Gai was still "just a merc" in the grand scheme of things.
>>22620159>>22620144Nevermind, all blonde children look the same and i didnt expand the image.
>>22620194>Or whatever Astray isn't canonYou answered your own question. Fukuda says he never read Astray and doesn't consider it as part of Gundam Seed.
>>22620144This kid wouldn't be so distracting if Hirai knew how to make characters look different. He looks basically exactly like younger Mu/Rau and I'm just sitting there the entire time thinking "was there another Al clone they never mentioned". Because otherwise you'd just think of him as a secondary character like so many others.
>want to rewatch the movie again>got work and have to commuteFUCK MY LIFE torrent WHEN.
19 minutes until showtime here, only one in the theater and nothing is.on the projector. Is this normal for Fathom showings?
>>22620335You could get up and ask an employee just in case. If the Fukuda interview starts with the subtitles cut off then get up and tell them about it and they will fix it within a few minutes before the movie begins.
>>22620340Right when I was about to the screen went on, now there is a time limit counting down from ten minutes. And Hiro needs to remove the one minute cool time after captcha verification, it's irritating.
>>22620335>>22620350Thats how mine was. Enjoy friend
I love how they keep trolling us with Shiho. Who keeps showing up and never talking.
>>22620416Sai has it way worse. The absolute state of the guy.>Got cucked by the biggest wussbag in the entire galaxy, loses a fist fight against him>Tried to prove himself with the Strike only to trip and fall and make himself look like a retard>Said wussbag ends up getting a magic pop-star-head-of-state dream girl and dumps your shitty ex-fiance, lets her die horribly>Don't get to appear in the next series because you're so pathetic>Appear in the movie for 2 seconds showing you're working under his twin sister and don't get any lines
The Millennium's captain/first officer was cool.
>>22620464I liked him because I immediately recognized Chibodee/VIOLATE/Jiraiya's voice.
>>22620464>>22620470I loved both him and NotLelouch.
>>22620416Hey at least she gasped this time.
THIS MOVIE WAS PURE MECHA KINO BEAT GUNDAM MOVIE BRST GUNDAM ENTRY THIS WAS ABSOLUTELY WIRTH WAITING A DECADE AND A HALF OVER!Oh and I need to start La Goose memes.
>>22620597Glad you enjoyed it, Pitzfag. Please don't meme that or say the word kino again.
I honestly expected a slightly less dark CCA where Kira is pushed to his limits and it takes a miracle to save the world.God I was wrong.
>>22618432I loved it, shinn got the redemption he deserved after how bad destiny treated him.
Fukuda opened by saying he wanted a movie that would make the audience leave smiling, and goddamn if he didn't pull it off. I left that theater feeling like a million bucks.
>>22620674Shinn's handled way better and more likable in this movie, but I'm not sure I'd say he's being treated "well". The guy is now another addition to the church of Kira being basically comic relief half the time and a total retard the other half.
Shinn was a total retard in this movie. He was simping for Kira for some stupid reason. What happened to Freedom killer?
So did Kira just give up on the whole no killing thing or what? He straight up mercs people in this
>>22620712It's partially a consequence of how poorly his character was handled in Destiny. They have to keep continuity with what they had of his character, but minus the part where he's still endlessly seething about Mayu and Stella. Once you take his anger away I guess they decided to characterize him as "empty headed dipshit", which I guess isn't far off given how easily he was manipulated by Rey/Durandal.
>>22620712Go to bed agnes
>>22620713Yeah that's the end of Destiny. He was absolutely going to drop the hammer on Durandal and said so to his face, he just got beaten to it by Rey.
>>22620728So, Shinn's character is defined by being blindly loyal to everyone that's nice to him?
>>22620713Kira has never had a problem with killing people and has consistently been portrayed in both shows and the movie as going for the kill against anyone who it would be too difficult to disable. You're thinking of Kio, who actually did have a no-kill policy even when it got his allies killed.
>>22620744I mean.. yeah? The dude is ride or die with his friends and people he cares about, has a strong sense of justice, and gets flaming mad at what he perceives as injustice or in inaction in the face of injustice, and likewise has pretty powerful respect for the opposite of that. Kira gave this guy a second chance and is basically an avatar for what he believes in, no shit he's pro that guy. Once he got to know him Kira is basically the anti-Athrun, who Shinn is still not a great fan of.
>>22620712Shut up Black Knights, you guys lost to said retard who can't think lmao
>>22620746>the movie as going for the kill against anyone who it would be too difficult to disable.>anyone who it would be too difficult to disable.>too difficult to disable.Which is nobody since Kira is stronger than everyone. He didn't even kill Rey in Legend Gundam. And Rey was ZAFT'S second strongest pilot.
>>22620778Didn't his super freedom mind laser kill like 3 battleships worth of people?
>>22620782He iced battleships in Destiny
>>22620778He slices battleships in half, mercs Orphee, plans to kill Durandal until Rey does it first, and just generally takes the Black Knights seriously. He also never once complains about any of his allies going for killshots, which they all do, and in fact has never said that he was deliberately going to shoot to disable. He just does it, unless it's inconvenient in which case he doesn't.
Cagalli hitting her head on the desk is the cutest part of the movie no one talks about. She is not a politician and it feels like she's searching for an out while still defending orb in her own way
>>22620788Your statement was wrong. It's OK to admit it and move on.
>>22620824Is that why she's training the kid to be her successor?
This movie was for all the people who thought the destiny plan was a good idea. Don't be like orphee
>>22618924>any outside forms of thought are an inherent threat to the system because of their ability to compete with it.This is every system. Even Capitalism abhors outside thought. The main difference is that it commodifies rather than rejects it outright. There isn't even a difference in violence; Capitalism employs it just as much, but (again) to subsume rather than conquer. Russia throws you in a gulag to die, America throws you in prison to give the guy who donated to your campaign cheap labor.Anyway 00 did it best.
>>22620782Those three "battleships" (Ziggurat) are actually stupidly oversized DRAGOONs controlled by Ingrid.
>>22620788Those ships were unmanned.
Just saw it and had a great time. I watched SEED like 7 years ago and only ever made in about 20 episodes in, thought it was just ok. Took a friend who is a big fan to see it and we both loved it. The power of love shit is so dumb but it worked here. Incel main villain was rad. I'm sure the rest of SEED isn't as good as this but still gonna go back and finally watch it all + Destiny
>>22620998>The power of love shit is so dumb but it worked hereI think it works as long as it seems like the writer is sincere about it and commits to it, instead of so many of the stupid post-irony things now that think if they wink to the audience while doing the thing, that makes it okay that they're doing the thing.
Love the movie. Very fun. Hated Shinn's character change.
>>22620998How did you handle getting thrown like 30 different characters that the movie expects you to know who they are?
>>22620998>only up in theaters for two days>in the middle of the weekdayWho is responsible for these decisions?>>22621098cause he watched it 7 years ago. he probably still has a grasp on who they are.
>>22619840I mean, that's what she looked like with the hair and the stockings and all that. She didn't look old though, she looked like she was at best in her mid-20s
>>22620335People only showed up in the last 5 min for me. A bunch didn't show up until after the initial battle at night (meaning they missed the song FREEDOM) which I assume means they thought it was 7:30 and not 7
>>22620746>Kira has never had a problem with killing peopleHe has a problem with killing when he didn't need to, which is why Freedom/SF is important to him because it lets him defeat his enemies without killing them
>>22620965Not in SEED they weren't.
>>22618592Fukuda or Hirai got obsessed with giving each notable female a unique lipstick color.
Ingrid deserved better
the shot that saved /m/
I was surprised by how much I liked Shinn in this, I thought the Destiny stuff in climax was better than the Freedom or Justice's scenes.
>>22621596Yeah 01 is for me
>>22621596Is this real? Like an actual official picture (promo? ad?)?
>>22621666Durandal wasn't lying, Destiny really was the ultimate mobile suit.
>>22618910Gundam has always been on the side of entropy, and charting the moderate, usually self destructive course, since at least Zeta. This is especially explicit in Tomino's work, where the Federation is just a failed state post OYW. The antagonist factions usually run strong, capable governments, and the heroes defend the status quo to stop xyz war crimes, or just because the antagonists "aren't democratic enough". As if the Federation were meaningfully "democratic", or that would somehow justify bad, corrupt government.The Destiny Plan was one of the more intriguing ideas in Seed. I don't know if I'd agree with Durandal that it would necessarily bring world peace, but it would be blatantly superior to systems today, where high school teens are forced to haphazardly choose a career path based on nothing. Real guidance, and knowing from birth the range of your potential career paths, would be a huge leg up. The issue this new movie has is it wants to relitigate the Destiny plan, but it doesn't really have time to. So instead, future Singapore reveals it was run by a bunch of megalomaniacs who want to rule the Earth. It's weak, but it's a 2 hour movie, you don't really have time for something more nuanced, with as many characters and scenes you have to stuff into a movie like this. What's strange is the fact Orphee thinks Lacus will go along with any of his plans for a second, this feels like a legacy of earlier drafts, where the villains weren't forced to act so over the top.
>>22621630Agreed anon. They wanted to do this tragedy bit with her but there wasn't enough time.
>>22622138>The issue this new movie has is it wants to relitigate the Destiny plan, but it doesn't really have time to.The movie does a significantly better job of relitigating the Destiny Plan by cutting the conflict down to something more personal and showcasing that even within the ranks of the Accords themselves, the Plan ignores what people actually want. It's not just giving you "a range of career paths": you'll do the exact job you were born for, marry the exact person you were born for, live in exactly the place and exactly the way the Plan tells you to. You aren't allowed to live any other way or love anyone else. Your feelings are more things to be regulated out of you with genetic manipulation.>The antagonist factions usually run strong, capable governments, and the heroes defend the status quo to stop xyz war crimes, or just because the antagonists "aren't democratic enough".The antagonists in Gundam are always appealing to political extremists because extremists always think that everyone would be happy if everyone just stopped having any diversity of ideas and we all just agreed to follow my ideas. Fascists and communists are polar opposites on almost every other issue, but exactly the same when it comes to that one.
>>22622045Not official as far as collaborations, but Murrue's JP VA posted it, and mentioned elsewhere that the lip colors was picked by the staff so that each had their own unique color.https://twitter.com/katsuragi3sa/status/1751013739615375611
>>22622164Political extremism is in the eye of the beholder, friend. What exists today was created by political radicals and extremists of their era, and would be considered radical to people of past eras. What's especially radical to me, is the idea you should apathetically accept bad government, out of devotion to some sacred principle.As for the Destiny plan, implementation is down to who's running the system. It doesn't have to be as you say, though you're right, Orphee's obsession about being "born" for something plays into that. I just find Kira and co's talk about freedom, especially back in Destiny, rather grating. It presumes a level of freedom that doesn't exist in modern society, and most governments in Seed seem to be modern "liberal democratic". The most interesting part of Destiny was where Durandal told Kira that the people might prefer his plan, and Kira acknowledged this, but told him he was going to impose freedom on the world anyway.
The movie as good. Probably a 7.5/10. I didn't like Lunamaria or Shinn though. They swapped personalities for some reason. I though Luna was supposed to be the fun one. They ruined Meyrin's look. Aged her 10 years with that hair cut and clothes.
>>22622138>What's strange is the fact Orphee thinks Lacus will go along with any of his plans for a second, this feels like a legacy of earlier drafts, where the villains weren't forced to act so over the top.Orphee has to think Lacus will go along with it. The fact that someone might reject their "Destiny" is a massive problem for the world he wants.
>for someone who can read minds you don't seem to use yours that muchShura never recovered from this.
>>22622456Where's the nude Cagalli?
>>22622367>They swapped personalities for some reason.Luna has a hate boner for Kira now? I guess she might feel jealous of her boyfriend wanting to be around him all the time.
>>22622465She's very serous and broody now at the very least. Shinn is like a 13 year old fangirl to Kira now. Even though Shinn is 18 years old now I think
>>22622465Luna's basically Shinn's babysitter now lol
>>22622464This happens before Athrun and Kira swapped their units back since Athrun is piloting the Strike Freedom Type II instead of Infinite Justice Type II, so he'll be traumatized by tits later
>>22622511Well you know what they say about men ultimately just want to marry their mother
>>22622367>they ruined meyrin lookare you gay? what the fuck
>>22622612Twin tails is superior. Are YOU blind?
>>22622616BRO ARE YOU BLIND SHES HOT AS FUCK NOWtoo bad she won't get anything because god hates me.
I'm genuinely surprised there hasn't been any>NO I DONT WANT THAT, LACUS FINDING ANOTHER MAN? I WANT HER TO THINK ABOUT ME AND NO ONE ELSE FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE. EVEN AFTER I DIE I WANT TO BE AT THE FRONT OF HER MIND FOR A WHILE. TEN YEARS, AT LEAST!
>>22622624Eren died a loserKira literally won
>>22622620She walled at 18
>>22622138>What's strange is the fact Orphee thinks Lacus will go along with any of his plans for a second, this feels like a legacy of earlier drafts, where the villains weren't forced to act so over the top.Like >>22622380 said, Orphee has to believe that Lacus will go along with his plans because the entire plan hinges on the idea that people will be happiest if they follow the plan. The plan says that Lacus gets to rule the world as its queen with her Accord boyfriend and his 12-inch dick as her king, if she doesn't want that then what are the odds that everyone else is going to want it? There's a scene where we see people being rounded up in the streets of Foundation's capital and shot, presumably because those people didn't want to follow the Destiny Plan and the only option the Plan has for people who don't want to do what it says is to kill them.
Had Kira ever cleanly won a single fight when he WASN'T using a super overpowered suit?Kira in Strike Ootari was get beat up by Zakus. Meanwhile Athrun was owned Extended pilots while using a Zaku. Kira uses overpowered suits like a crutch.
>>22621577Any chance you're from Florida?My group was late to our showing because the usher sent us to the wrong theater, and I'm pretty sure we missed what you described.
>>22622745>Kira in Strike Ootari was get beat up by Zakus.Actually an HD remaster change. In the original tv version Rogue (in Aile form, not Ootari) completely holds it's own against that superior force, and only goes down because it takes a hit for the Eternal
>>22622620>>22622639She gives off single mom vibes to me. Like she literally looks older than Luna, despite being the younger sister.
>>22622745In the Strike he routinely fought equally matched Gundams 1v4 and won. In the Freedom he consistently went evenly 2v3 with Athrun against the druggies, who had suits basically on par with the Freedom and Justice in every way except operating time: and I mean operating time of the pilots, since the suits never ran out of power, it was just that the druggies needed another fix. He also cleanly beat Rau when Rau had a massively better suit than his. In the Strike Freedom he beat Shinn and Rey plenty of times despite both Destiny and Legend being comparable suits to the Strike Freedom. In the Rising Freedom he beat enemies that had at least an 80:1 numerical advantage, and the Rising Freedom isn't nuclear. In the Mighty Strike Freedom he beat Orphee cleanly despite Orphee's MS being a better version of Strike Freedom.Athrun is portrayed as a slightly better pilot, but Kira is still the second-best pilot in CE.
>>22622799>In the Strike he routinely fought equally matched Gundams 1v4 and won.No it was Strike + Archangel battleship + Mwu fighting the Gundams. Kira was never alone>since the suits never ran out of powerDid you watch the show? The extended suits ran out of power twice. >He also cleanly beat Rau when Rau had a massively better suit than his.Kira didn't cleanly beat Rau. Kira came in with METEOR and spammed his weapons trying to win. Spam didn't work. Then Kira got his ass beat. Then Rau laughed at him, spared his life, and flew away.>In the Strike Freedom he beat Shinn and Rey plenty of times despite both Destiny and Legend being comparable suits to the Strike Freedom.1. Kira in SF tied against Shinn in Destiny. Kira never actually beat him. They both stalemated eachother until Shinn retreated. 2. When it was a 2v1, Kira in SF was pummeled and was about to die with Shinn about to kill him. Then Athrun came in and saved Kira.>In the Rising Freedom he beat enemies that had at least an 80:1 numerical advantageRising Freedom is like 3 generations newer than any suit they were using. Blue Cosmos were still using Strike Daggers from Season 1 as the majority of their army.>In the Mighty Strike Freedom he beat Orphee cleanly despite Orphee's MS being a better version of Strike Freedom. Eh. I'll give half credit here. It was more of an element of surprise thing. Orphee didn't know that Mighty SF charges it's shield and lightning from long range beam attacks. Just like how Kira somehow didn't know Black Knights had beam absorbing armor (which is confusing given the flashback. Kira should know by now) and had Wings of Light.>Athrun is portrayed as a slightly better pilot, but Kira is still the second-best pilot in CE.Agreed about Athrun being #1.But I think Shinn could match Kira since Shinn doesn't care about being non-lethal. He will shoot down enemies. Kira is too merciful.
>>22622799I'd actually argue that he didn't consistently go even with Athrun against the druggies - I rewatched recently in preparation for the movie and very often Athrun takes two of them while Kira handles one. It's a big part of the feeling that Athrun is the more level headed and skilled of the two comes from, in that first season at least.
>>22622825Athrun even pushed himself hard to fight all three of the Extended at the same time during 1 episode. Athrun messed up Calamity's chest and almost killed him. And he damaged Forbidden Gundam. Athrun was trying to go for the kill despite taking damage himself.
swap Shinn and Athrun in the movie's final battledoes Shinn have what it takes to kill Shura due to his no thinking strategy? Athrun may have issues but I assume with HIlda helping he could probably still kill all the remaining BKs
>>22622881The same thing would happen.Shura would amazed that he can read Shinn because Shinn empties his mind of distractions while fighting. Thus Shura can't read himAthrun is already exceptionally skilled and experienced at fighting multiple opponents at once. Whenever they tried to read Athrun, his suit moves in the opposite direction than expected. The BK become confused and flustered. Then Hilda and Athrun slice them into pieces. It's then revealed that Cagalli was helping remote control IJ during critical moments.
>>22622767https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvnsPaWtkR8&ab_channel=FigureGunplaFanThat 3 shots burst fire make my dick rock-hard
>>22618859One thing I will give credit where it's due is at least seed freedom knows agnes is an ireedeemable, hateable bitch. CCA was kind of wild for thinking the audience would ever find quess sympathetic at all.
>>22622902I thought for sure that the scene with her and Kira was going to have her actually force a kiss with him and have Lacus misconstrue it, but no, Kira shoves Agnes away and calls her a crazy bitch.
Hilda Sweep
>>22615945I remember many many years ago as a wee lad, I barely understood gundam at all, or looking for accurate information on the internet, and somehow I came across this exact image and thought that it was gonna eventually show up in the Gundam Seed anime I was watching the dub of.
>>22622922
>>22622920Sorry, Hilda is my wife(husband)
>>22622456this sounds like something Ange would say and I guess that just makes it funnier.
>>22622824>No it was Strike + Archangel battleship + Mwu fighting the Gundams. Kira was never aloneKira was generally left with handling the bulk of the GAT-X suits because Mwu and AA are busy dealing with the rest of the ZAFT forces and whoever they manage to split off from the pack (usually Dearka or Nicol but not both).
So is Shinn a Newtype now? He had the flash like Kira and Mu.
>>22622745>>22622799>>22622824>Shinnfag copelol, lmao.No one takes you seriously btw.Kira is the best pilot in CE and the best character in CE.
I'd probably put it as Kira > Athrun > ShinnKira has the raw talent but not the brains to utilize it. Athrun isn't as powerful but he's max intel so he can dab on the battlefield. Shinn has the most potential but he's never been in a situation with the power he has now to really utilize that potential. He might be stronger than Athrun but we don't know.
>>22623395>>22623264Athrun is definitely a better pilot than Kira, he was taking on the same dudes that took out Kira in a fucking Zgok.Also 2-0
>>22623887>Athrun is definitely a better pilot than Kiralol, lmao
>>22623894Kira lost every single fight until he got the mighty backpack
>>22623907Nice headcanon.I accept your concession.Athrun is a shitty pilot and nowhere near Kira's level.Cope, seethe and dilate.
>>22623887Zgok is still a nuclear powered machine, and Athrun didn't just come off having his head fucked with. Also wasn't ambushed and didn't get surprised by a bunch of missiles.Equipment plays a big part in it too, even SF isn't equipped to go toe-to-toe in melee battle with Shura's machine like IJ is.
>>22623887Yeah, I mean in raw talent. Kira probably wins but he's mostly on autopilot a good chunk of the time. Athrun is actually thinking when he fights.
I think its really cool that I can't pinpoint the exact moment they swapped from 3d to 2d animation for the mobile suit scenes. It just sort of happened.
>>22623911Aside from Kira or Lacus, do you like any other characters? How can you call yourself a fan if you only like two characters?
I wish Luna went two for two in shooting down the nukes, would have been a nice moment of redemption after failing to shoot down Djibril. They should have had a fourth nuke that wasn't anywhere near her, since the plot needed both Foundation and Kira to get nuked. (I think, I had a hard time following what was going on)
>>22615945I hate my life and have decided to go to this movie as punishment for fucking up my job interview.
>>22624315Just stay home and marathon G-Witch all the way through, that's a much worse punishment and it's not like you don't have the time
SEED season 3 when?
>>22624286I think it's fine, since that was supposed to be the low point for kira and friends. She definitely should have succeeded on another impossible "never tell me the odds" trick shot towards the end though.
>>22624262Is Athrun making out with a dude? Get this yaoi shit off the board.
>>22624262Athrun X Heine is disgusting.
>>22624383>>22624388That's Cagalli.
>>22624262>Dies a virgin because he was too blinded by MUH DESTINY and MUH GENES to realize he had pussy by his side all along
>>22624418Don't forget said pussy dies with him.
I'm just reminiscing about wendsday and damn that was the most hype i've seen a theater has been and i've been at the first day viewing of Super:Broly.>Meteor starts playing
https://open.spotify.com/track/15oTuand59qXpbXz2cu9Ft?si=2d1c4e98c32c4cfemy morning alarm
>>22624546I just finished the movie, and one of my first major complaints was when the psychic coordinators tried reading Shinn's mind and were taken aback by "his darkness". Fucking seriously? Kira had his home destroyed, betrayed by his first love, had his first love killed, was forced into war, and had to fight his best friend. Yet somehow, Shinn was able to psych them out? I hate defending Kira like this, but if there's a pissing match of misery then Kira can put out just as well as Shinn.
Just saw the movie. The whole plot is silly and could have easily been avoided if Kira hired more than other 3 pilots for Compass so Kira isn't overworked and can spend time With Lacus. Is this plot supposed to be an allegory for the overworked salary man in Japan? It's really silly.
>>22624740No, they were taken aback by his lack of any thought while he fought. Because Shinn is a terrible character and one of the big points of the movie was to constantly point that out.Though at the time, he was also in SEED mode, and he was the first to do it that they encountered.
>>22624756Agreed. You would think Yzak and Dearkka would do a tour of duty on Compass. Way better than some random Agnes pilot.
>>22622890No, that's not it at all. You missed read the scene completely. Shinn doesn't "empty his mind". It's a joke that he doesn't actually think while fighting. It's the culmination of all the scenes with him in the movie where he is made fun of, with one final diss at him, despite him beating them.
>>22624780Kira is doing his best anon.
>>22624756Nah, the point was Kira insisted on doing most of the work himself. They had other pilots for Compass like Hilda and her two guys but Kira had them stay back on the ship. They also had AA with an entire squad of Murasame's led by Mwu but it doesn't matter if Kira insists on soloing everyone anyway and has the authority to do so.
Saw it on Tuesday night in my local theater... It's pure Seed Destiny over dramatic trash. Whether or not you like that or not will depend whether it is a good movie to you. That said, I did love how they took the piss out of Shinn every chance they got. Not because I hate Shinn, but it shows how much of a kid he actually still is, while thinking he is as good as his peers. But he hasn't matured like Kira or Athrun, for good or bad... But at least he got to be a somewhat decent character this time. And I love Luna being Luna.I was also satisfied that we got a specific line from Mu about hard hard it is to make the Impossible, possible. I always want to see him do more, but it wasn't his show, and was happy where he and Murrue ended.As for the baddies (and Agnes)... they do a WAAAY too hard of a job of making you creeped out by them. You don't hate them, because they are just all to creepy they just feel dirty. And their HAX new armor type that didn't even get named in the movie that just stops beam weapons cold? Not to mention them being better than Coordinators, with psychic powers? Please. They made them too HAX just so the good guys could overcome even that.I also get this feeling that the movie feels like a compilation movie... It could have been a 6-12 episode OAV or something to flesh things out more... Then they also mention the "Freedom Incident" and show one brief flash to it. Apparently it was in a novel about Agnes beforehand... Something thing you needed to read before the movie came out. So yeah, overall it was trash. You can tell they did not learn anything after Seed Destiny, and just continued with the bullshit. Still, seeing it with a bunch of other like minded individuals made it hurt a bit less.
>>22624796Does Orb even have any ace pilots?
>>22624844Literally Kira? It's not as if Kira stops being an ORB citizen just because he joined a UN peacekeeping force.
>>22624803>And their HAX new armor type that didn't even get named in the movie that just stops beam weapons cold?Herbert and Mars (Hilda's wingmen) actually mentioned the name of the armor and commented on that someone actually managed to get it working before they were finished off by the Black Knights but it happened so quickly that you can miss it.>>22624849Isn't Kira considered a ZAFT pilot in Freedom despite him being an ORB citizen? So Mwu plus the Murasame pilots from Destiny if they are still alive are probably the only ORB aces.
>>22624860Kira was an ORB citizen since the first episode, given that Heliopolis was an ORB colony. Him joining EA was borne out of emergency circumstances though he did choose to stay on the AA even after docking once in ORB.Okay, to be fair, I have no idea whether him wearing a white ZAFT uniform at the end of GSD actually indicated a formal change in citizenship but COMPASS was simply headquartered at PLANT. With Kira more or less being Compass' Number 2, it makes sense why he would reside there in the film instead.That being said, you still have Athrun (who defected) and Mwu as non-sidestory ORB ace pilots.
>>22624389She didn't need to redeem herself. Retards keep harping on her for missing Djibril's transport ship but that was a relatively tiny ass transport shuttle that was travelling at ESCAPE VELOCITY. You would probably need something like this to shoot it down reliably
>>22624874A missile will do just fine. No matter how fast a jet can travel, a missile can always travel faster.
>murrue>gives off gentle and motherly vibes, checks in on her subordinates>actually absolutely reckless and retardedly crazy in combat, blitzes through a blockade and rams capital ships without hesitating>helps that her helsmsman is equally crazy and arguably the best in the series' historyNo wonder Arthur was in a constant state of panic, Talia never did crazy shit like this.
>>22619358You'd have to be retarded to willingly entrust you and your generations' loves to a crazed lolibaba who willingly nuked her own country just so she could frame Eurasia and set a p[recedent to nuke Moscow.
>>22624884Sounds like you're not trusting the plan
>>22619358>>22624884When your countries are throwing nukes at eachother, creating weapons that shut down nuclear power, creating new satellite weapons that can destroy cities in a single blast, dropping colonies on eachother, shooting more nukes at eachother, creating giant radar dishes that burn the sky, shooting giant bendy space lasers at eachother....then it's perfectly understandable the average citizen just wants to try something different. The current government clearly doesn't work.
>>22624876>Implying escape velocity is your garden variety of fastGiven that Earth's escape velocity is 11.2 km/s (so around 40,100 km/h or Mach 32.4), you will need some really fast missiles (for reference maximum speed of AIM-120 is Mach 4) to catch up the shuttle while it is accelerating away.>>22624888>Everyone else: JobsMore like "Everyone else: You will do your jobs as told or you will be dead too"
>>22624896>The current government clearly doesn't work.Are you illiterate? He just said the country (Foudnation) that wants to implement the Destiny Plan literally nuked their own country in a false flag operation to install themselves as the administrators of the Destiny plan. Foundation even outright bans countries from evacuating their citizens and deems it a sign of aggression worthy of being orbital lasered. You could maaaybe make a case for Dullindal's Destiny Plan, but actually thinking Foundation's version is a good alternative is absolutely moronic.
>>22624900The shuttle doesn't immediately travel at that speed. It has to accelerate to escape velociry. There's a large gap of time where a missile from a fighter or intercepter can take it down.
>>22624912He's saying that the people are tired of war and nuking eachother that they will accept something different if it promises peace.
>>22624929And the people throwing those very nukes are the same ones wanting to be the administrators of the Destiny Plans, retard. This isn't something only viewers are privy to, you literally see both ZAFT and Foundation broadcast their terms for everyone to see.
>>22624954Every single faction used nukes and super weapons. It's irrelevant at this point.
>>22624964>everyone uses nukes and super weapons>except the present administration which doesn't>we should totally entrust our lives with the one that just recently used another one to attack another one
>>22624980>>except the present administration which doesn't Zaft literally had a mini Civil War in the movie and tried to fire Requiem again.
>>22624983Cagalli as Yotsuba is surprising.
>>22618698Honestly I wonder what shenanigans would happen if Durandal sent Meer to Foundation. >Orphee is too focused on her titties to read her mind>The other accords read her mind, and wrongly assume she's mastered her accord powers by countering their mindreading in making up a fake story that she's not Lacus and actually an impersonator. >Meer is internally freaking the fuck out, everyone thinks she's Lacus, except Ingrid.
>>22625009You mean the civil war that was instigated by Foundation? Did you not see the scene of Shura meeting the coup leader or are you just pretending to have watched the film?
>>22624983So who's the fat one here?>Agnes is NinoFitting>>22625146Wouldn't Meer be eventually found out to be a fake once Orphee realizes he couldn't "bond" with Meer?
>>22625199You need to accept the common people in seed do not know, or care about any of that. The dirt poor farmer in Brazil just wants to avoid get drafted into another war.
>>22624929Not if it's peace through tyranny and death. Then you might as well take your chances with the current status quo. Unlike Durandal, Aura and Foundation aren't even pretending to be the good guys at that point they're just saying basically "You're gonna be ruled by us and fucking like it or we'll slaughter you and we might just slaughter you anyway if we deem it necessary for "peace" and you're just gonna accept our judgment and die for us"It's like Schniziel's final plan from Code Geass of having the nuke fortress blow up a ton of places to make a point and then float there forever to keep everyone let too terrified of being nuked as well to try anything keeping everyone united in their fear of imminent death. It's "peace" via everyone being too terrified and helpless against their overlord to think about making war.
>>22625555The dirt poor lives under constant threat of being lasered anytime he steps out of line, that's infinitely worse than the status quo.
>>22625557Philosophy doesn't matter to the average citizen of a war torn world. They just want to live in peace.
>>22625631They won't be living in peace. They'll just replacing fear of death by war to death by execution from the overlords.
>>22625555>>22625631Anon, the average citizen isn't interested in the Destiny Plan. That's why even in Foundation's home turf they're mass-murdering protestors and then as soon as they're in space they start lasering cities. Many citizens might capitulate so they don't get lasered to death, that doesn't mean they think the Destiny Plan is cool and will bring peace.
>>22624740Either seeing your family’s dead bodies is the key to “2dark” or Stellar is actually living in Shinn’s head protecting him.
>>22625650Didn't like 90% of the world approve the Destiny plan? Only Orb and a few other small countries said no. Sounds the like "average citizen" is a fan of the Destiny plan since it promises peace and prosperity. This sounds especially appealing to citizens who are dirt poor, living in countries ravaged by war, and the citizens on the verge of rebellion.
>>22625199>>22625631>>22625648>>22625557>TyrannyLmao. Seed peasants have nothing left to lose. Pic related.
>>22625863Why is everyone hiding the movie rips from us? Stop hoarding it and give it to us. I hate hoarders so much
Sorry anon, but we have a no coordinator policy.
>>22625954You think hoarding rips and showing off is funny?
>>22625806Nobody approved of the Destiny Plan except Plant. Earth Nations said they'd think about it and asked for more info at which point Durandal started blasting people. Earth was never crazy about the Destiny Plan, by either Durandal or the Accords.
>>22625863They're gonna get the same thing from Foundation. Foundation nuked their own country.
>>22626229They nuked their own country in order to have an excuse to obliterate Moscow using Requiem and paint themselves as righteous victims of the Naturals.Foundation was merely a launching platform to become rulers of all mankind. Once they got sufficient power, they got rid of it.
>>22626252You say this like it means anything in seed. Zaft allowed multiple attacks on their colonies to happen. Millions died. Zaft terrorists used the dead bodies of their fellow zaft citizens and dropped a colony on Earth. The EA blows up their own base full of personnel to destroy a ZAFT fleet. Orb blows up their own island and mass driver with a nuke (or something close it). Nothing you said means anything anymore. Lines have been crossed so many times now. There are no moral lines in seed anymore.
>>22626289>Zaft allowed multiple attacks on their colonies to happen."Allowed" how, exactly? I will give you the shit that happened with Durandal in Armory One and Requiem, but Junius Seven was a shot out of the blue.>Zaft terrorists used the dead bodies of their fellow zaft citizens and dropped a colony on Earth.Again, this could also (hypothetically) be pinned as part of Durandal's plan.
>>22624929>the people are tired of war and nuking eachother that they will accept something different if it promises peace.>>22625631>Philosophy doesn't matter to the average citizen of a war torn world. They just want to live in peace.That was before the movie's events. In the aftermath of two nuclear detonations and Moscow being blasted, people on Earth are, in all likelihood, justifiably scared of the "monsters from space" attacking them again. There is no chance at peace anymore.The novel's epilogue is explicit about this, with Blue Cosmos on the rampage once again and with more support than ever before.
>>22626308>>22625648>>22625650>>22624912>arguments between billionaires and trillionaires>team lacus is full of Uber wealthy ultra elite>same with every other factionTruly First world problems. None of these represent the common man in seed
>>22626319We see plenty of the common man in both shows. The common man in CE is violently racist against the other side and eager to commit genocide. It's not just the higher-ups.
>>22626319>arguments between billionaires and trillionaires>team lacus is full of Uber wealthy ultra elite>same with every other faction>Truly First world problems. None of these represent the common man in seedDoes this argument mean anything? How is it replying to anything any of those posts said?
>>22626345>We see plenty of the common man in both showsYeah they suffer no matter which faction is in charge.
>>22626486You mean "they're anxious for genocide no matter who's in charge".
>>22622746>Any chance you're from Florida?Nah, Vegas. Just a coincidence I guess.
>>22625806Most of the Earth's nations were basically in confusion and chaos at that point:Atlantic Federation: Tried to attack ZAFT but most of its forces, one of the base on the Moon, and the President got Requiem'dRest of the Earth Alliance: Unknown PositionsORB: AgainstKingdom of Scandinavia: Against but they are a literal who nationI would assume any other nations aligned with PLANT were probably either neutral or perhaps for Destiny Plan>>22626289>The EA blows up their own base full of personnel to destroy a ZAFT fleetRemember, the EA did this twice even>>22626319Isn't stopping a bunch of Coordinators trying to force their genetic caste system on the world with WMDs and said world is mostly populated with Naturals that will most likely be screwed in that system not a "first world problem"?
On top of the very high likelihood this is the last Gundam SEED animated content and possibly Mitsuo Fukuda anime we will see, it has finally occurred to me that it is overwhelmingly probable Freedom is the last Gundam anime to use Kunio Okawara as a mechanical designer. Destiny marked the transition of eras as it was and SEED as a whole is what could be considered the bookmark of the first half of Gundam now, but we're reaching the point where we won't be able to go back.
>>22627886>possibly Mitsuo Fukuda anime we will seeGrendizer U
>>22627902I'm thinking now I might have actually seen that announcement but how the fuck did that happen? Was he just the oldest guy they could find, because Sadamoto and Kohei Tanaka seem random as fuck too.Man sure likes Sumipe anyways.
>>22627915Also, Fukuda has teased more of CE, given the movie's success as well as Fukuda was contemplating whether to do the Freedom Hijack incident.
>>22627917Fukuda has one "free ticket" with Bandai to make what anime he wants because of the success of Gundam Seed Freedom. He seriously needs to ask himself if he wants to use his ticket for the the Freedom Hijack prequel he keeps talking about. Or if he wants to make another sequel Seed anime to set the groundwork for the future of Seed. That way future Seed directors will have a framework to work with when it comes to future Seed anime. And they aren't just guessing and making stuff up. For example if a future director comes on board and wants to make a Seed anime set 5 years in the future, he will have a basis to work with and not just make stuff up.
>>22626428This one anon keeps insisting the "regular people" of Seed's world really wanted to invite the Accords are their evil overlords because they were so tired of the wars and there was a slight chance they might be treated fairly under them. This is wrong, we see Foundation mass executing people in their own country and we see that people clearly are not doing anything but cowering in fear of them, but that's what they keep insisting. Maybe it's the same anon that insists Foundation were really the good guys of the film all along because they don't have Nuclear reactors in their mobile suits (even though they have MC and straight up use a nuke anyway making this point moot) trying a new angle.
>>22626428He means that it doesn't really matter who is in charge. All the factions were pretty bad.
>>22628172That dude really doesn't seem to grasp that Freedom if anything is there to show that Destiny Plan really isn't a thing you want, because this is how it goes when you don't have a charismatic and sympathetic "did nothing wrong" type as it's lead spokesman. Even if you assume Durandal was operating in absolute good faith, these fuckers are the types that would float to the top of that system eventually.
>>22628194More importantly the Accords represent the kind of people that would be the next generation of people living in the Destiny Plan, ie: people raised from it since birth, who don't know the old world and have an appreciation for the difference in what was. You'd get a bunch of arrogant sociopaths who think nothing of the lessers and think their genes and their genetic plan are the be all end all. So you have stuff like Orphee turning into a psycho rapist when Lacus won't get on board with him because that was what his genes were supposed to give him and he couldn't handle otherwise, and the Black Knights folding like wet tissue paper at any kind of adversity thrown their way by their enemies because they were operating on the logic of "We have better genes means we'll effortlessly win" And these were the guys that would have been at the top in the Destiny Plan.It really shows that the Destiny Plan only works for people that can appreciate the differences between it and the old system, while people that are brought up only knowing the Destiny Plan will be just as bad as guys like Azrael and Djbril.
>>22628184They all suck. Zaft = coordinator supremacy, multiple space microwave lasers to genocide armies and even people, and uses Colony drops on Earth. Willing to let billions of Civilians starve and die if it means winning. EA = natural supremacy, nukes, multiple drafts to keep up military numbers, willing to sacrifice own troops, and uses human wave tactics to try to winOrb = Hypocritical, two-timing and triple timing factions, and double crossing everyone. Doesn't actually live by their public values. Funds rogue splinter factions. Weak and not able to actually protect their citizens in war.Lacus Faction = no actual answers on how to fix government, builds Treaty breaking super weaponry for their elite troops, uses force and violence on those that oppose Lacus' views. Lacus Leader seems to have psychic powers to subtly control underlings and get general public to follow her.
>>22628172Seems like you are confusing several people as one person >>22628184I have to agree that I haven't seen any government work properly in seed. Perhaps it's better to have countries be independent again>>22628202I agree msotly on the broad strokes. I am very disappointed with orb and its leadership. Lacus having mental powers throws everything in question
>>22628202>Lacus Leader seems to have psychic powers to subtly control underlings and get general public to follow her.I know this makes for a good meme but like, there's notable examples in both seasons of Lacus making open appeals to both the military and the general population for restraint and reasonability, and they're futile and not listened to.Destiny is all kind of unbalanced but her small alliance is *decimated* in Seed to just barely bring about ceasefire. She's a charismatic, well meaning woman who draws people to her cause, she doesn't need to hypnotize anyone and wouldn't even if she knew she could.
>>22628223Thank you for saying this. Honestly these retcons will only cause terrible debates in the future, I wish Fukuda thought more about the setting instead of going full fanservice.
>>22628202Setting aside the Accords that had psycho personalities, you gotta hand it to them for creating advanced tech that could defeat the Lacus Faction. If they had been more stable, they probably would have been the best faction. Unfortunately Japanese can't write people with shades of Grey. All enemies must be crazy psychos.
>>22628214Lacus' political influence always came from nepotism and celebrity anyways, it's merely the fact that she doesn't abuse that privilege that makes her a good person.
>>22628297>it's merely the fact that she doesn't abuse that privilegeShe uses her influence to steal government secrets and technology
>>22628307If they didn't steal them some genocidal faction would have anyways
>>22628307Mostly stuff got stolen on her behalf by an espionage organization that supports her rather than answering to her
>>22628202>Still complaining about a non-signatory building two NJC powered Gundams when you tried so hard to gloss over that EA basically just use the Treaty to wipe their ass at the start of Destiny (Girty Lue)ZAFT isn't that better either without taking its NJC powered death rays into consideration when they tried so hard to pretend Destiny and Legend weren't nuclear powered either
>>22628342NJCs aren't banned, they're essential for living in a world that still has N-jammers everywhere. Mobile suits with NJCs are banned, but somehow other kinds of weapons like GENESIS skirt around that because they technically were originally built as a launch system for interplanetary travel and emit a large energy beam as part of its design, weaponizing it was more or less just modifying it slightly with the intent of killing the target instead of pushing solar sails.
>>22628342The Girty Lue is just a fucking footnote as it was doing black ops, launching dozens of nuclear missiles at the PLANTs after Break the World is where the treaty immediately became completely irrelevant. Destiny and Legend probably just had their model numbers before the war started. It gets kind of hard to cram Destiny Impulse and Providence ZAKU in there but they had to have been worked on for a while for SF and IJ to steal their shit.
>>22628463>Destiny and Legend probably just had their model numbers before the war started.It's specifically in the model kit notes that Destiny was deliberately given a lower model number and S designation instead of A to hide it's nature
Are Extended better than Accords? Extended just picks the best from the natural population and then gives them drugs to push them further beyond their limits. So there is a huge potential supply. Kira never defeated any of the original Extended and nearly died to them in one episode. Extendeds memories can be altered, modified, and wiped clean. So Accords can't do that "fall into darkness" memory manipulation. Some of the Extended might even like it since they enjoy the feeling of seeing people miserable and in despair. The first generation Extended were killing Coordinator pilots left and right while laughing about it.
>>22628489The Extended are worse on the virtue that they require regular maintenance and drugs, Stella was dying while being captive in Minerva and would've ended up being sent to PLANT to be disected if it wasn't for Shinn.
>>22628497But the Extended seemed more skilled and dangerous than Accords. While the Accords just mess with your mind during battle.
>>22628489>Kira never defeated any of the original Extended and nearly died to them in one episodethat's more situational than anything else. what about the fact that the druggies got killed by yzak and athrun?>So Accords can't do that "fall into darkness" memory manipulationis it specifically a despair thing or is it just temporary brainwashing? when they used that ability against kira, they just made him hyperfocus on what he thought was the enemy commander escaping the battlefieldif the accords can peek into their memories, can't they just discover their mental conditioning and block word then psychically whisper the blockword into their mind to instantly shut them down?
>>22628508>what about the fact that the druggies got killed by yzak and athrun? To be fair, Forbidden was triple teamed by 3 Gundams . And Forbidden had no backup Are you talking about when Athrun in Justice docked with Meteor fought Forbidden? Athrun lost or at least was pushed back. Forbidden was bending Meteor's beams away. Athrun just gave up and left. And Athrun had the same trouble with Raider. Athrun fired a missile barrage and Raider Gundam just zipped around like a bird and shot all the missiles down. Then Athrun just got annoyed, gave up, and flew away. He let Raider Gundam continue killing freely without stopping it. >if the accords can peek into their memories, can't they just discover their mental conditioning and block word then psychically whisper the blockword into their mind to instantly shut them down?The issue with the Extended is you can change their memories with a machine. You can't even rely on them really have any fears since that can be deleted out of them with a machine. What are you going to show an Extended who loves killing and death? MORE death?
>>22628518It surprising how well Forbidden and Raider fought against Meteor.
>>22628574Because Raider and Forbidden are "total package" suits. They can function on their own if necessary. Calamity is an artillery suit and has lower mobility and close range defense.
>>22628508>yzakHe only defeated Forbidden with help from others.
>>22628508When did Yzak beat Raider? >>22628602Yeah Buster helped alot. Plus Yzak did a suicide charge. He could have easily died. Yzak was lucky.
>>22628468Where is the contradiction
>>22628544>After CutIs Cuck Queen the next evolutionary stage for Agnes? Man I can just imagine she gets off without any punishment at all because nobody even cared enough to report her stabbing Kira in the back and every pilot in Compass has tried to kill each other like 50 times.
>>22628686He used Buster's gun to shoot down Raider, but Clotho was already in an incapacitated state due to him running low on drugs
>>22628172>This one anon keeps insisting the "regular people" of Seed's world really wanted to invite the Accords are their evil overlords because they were so tired of the wars and there was a slight chance they might be treated fairly under them.No, that's not what I said at all. The support comes Coordinators, who are still blood-thirsty against Naturals for obvious reasons. The Destiny Plan and the coup had some level of popular support in PLANT.The novel has a line that says "A faction of society, disillusioned with the status quo and marginalized in their everyday lives, vocally supported aligning with Foundation and adopting the Destiny Plan.">we see Foundation mass executing people in their own country and we see that people clearly are not doing anything but cowering in fear of themThe "we see" is doing a lot of lifting here. Foundation was careful enough to keep the dissent (and application of the Destiny Plan) under wraps. While Athrun found out the truth of the place through Terminal, the public at large wasn't aware of what happened. They only saw Foundation suddenly rising to prosperity on the wake of its secession from Eurasia.>Maybe it's the same anon that insists Foundation were really the good guys of the film all along because they don't have Nuclear reactors in their mobile suits (even though they have MC and straight up use a nuke anyway making this point moot) trying a new angle.No, that's a different schizo. I've argued against his nonsense several times. He only hates Lacus blindly and sees in a good light anyone that opposes her. Probably sleeps with an Agnes bodypillow
>>22628243>I wish Fukuda thought more about the setting instead of going full fanservice.This is the best joke in this thread yet. Fukuda just "does" things. The thing about the Junius Treaty, the excuse as to why MS in Destiny went back to batteries, was completely forgotten by him. His precise words are "I honestly don't know much about the setting" (設定周りは正直僕はあまり知らないです).What (You) and people like >>22628202, >>22628184 and >>22628214 don't understand is that "factions" and "worldbuilding" are a non-factor in this thing. The only thing that matters is the handful of main characters beating the bad guys. It's a power fantasy.AGE does the same. There is a thing there called the "Earth Federation" and some ships flying around, but it's all irrelevant since the entire story spins around the Asuno family. Nothing else is in any way important.
>>22628992No. Yzak missed the shot.
>>22629377Huh? Yzak put a railgun shot dead center through Raider. It was Raider that missed and only winged Duel in exchange.
>>22629642Impossible. Raider has phase shift armor. A physical railgun wouldn't damage Raider much less the cause the suit to explode.
>>22629743Oh, correction then, it's shot with Buster's "Hyper Impulse Long-Range Sniper Rifle" which despite firing yellow (Seed color code for projectiles) is a beam
>>22629377>>22629642You both are wrong.Raider shot Duel's left shoulder. Yzak missed and shot off Raider's left leg. You can see Raider missing its left leg in the next scene. The knee area was hit.>>22629743>phase shift>A physical railgun wouldn't damage Raider much less the cause the suit to explode.Also another fair point. Raider has phase shift armor so the shot should have been stopped.
>>22629762No. You can see in the shot that it goes right through Raider's center. Or it missed completely but given how Raider explodes a second later it obviously hit. Not only that but. Cont next post
>>22629891>>22629762Not only that but while I admit it looks like Raider is missing a leg in the next shot that's just because it's shaded or posing weird. When Raider starts to explode you can see that not only is the explosion starting from the center, but both legs are still there (and also go flying off when it blows)
>>22629892For lack of a better way of explaining it, that bit where a leg seems missing Raider is doing a Wing Gundam like pose, it's legs are crossed a bit
>>22629891Not that anon but I noticed there is no exit point for Buster's beam hitting Raider. It looks completely fine the next scene.
