If you are a /int/ermediate or /beg/inner in art, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice. Please stop replying to crabs, nodraws and howies and instead focus on posted works!>STICKY:Completed: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98New collaborative: https://hackmd.io/UMnZVhNITW-T2wZpHw6d0Qw/ic/i: https://sites.google.com/site/ourwici/Hardcore: https://hackmd.io/7k0XRnIQR6SValR77TDfZw?view>WHERE to get study materialsannas-archive.org>>>/ic/artbook>>>/ic/video>Want to practice figures?quickposes.comsketchdaily.netcharacterdesigns.comlovelifedrawing.composemy.artline-of-action.com>PYW and give your feedbackWhat can be improved? are there any resources videos or books you'd recommend to them? maybe a redline or a technique, be specificTry to reply to someone as you post your own work.Previous thread: >>7141295
even more hands
>>7144387this the real threadthe other OP is a doo doo head desu
>>7144387Is there a "recommended practice list" to go along with each chapter of the vilppu book? Something like>Read and copy chapter 1 X amount of times over an X day/week period>Watch the video for chapter 1 X amount of times>Do X gesture drawings (or chapter specific practice) per day for X days>Do X finished pieces focusing on the gesture (or whatever the chapter is focusing on) of the figure
How do i improve thiswhy does she look retarded
dont know which thread is real>>7144410probably the different pupil sizes
>>7144391Cute>>7144396Nice hands>>7144410Her left-handed iris is way bigger than the right one. >>7144413Nice colors
>>7144413>>7144418okay, but I feel like the entire face structure/topology is whats making her look weird
>>7144410>>7144421The fixed version looks fine. I just don't like the texture brush you are using. Too grainy and repetitive.
>>7144408>Forrest Imel beginner guide>https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1WvtZ_F69mn3lwhjxc3GKsN5tarcTEWOr?usp=drive_link5 videos detail which books to read and how to grind fundamentals.
Nothings' wrong right guys?Gonna color now. Wish me luck
>>7144430good luck bro
Flock doodle. I realize I fucked up the sline alignment. Amidst other things.
good luck :]
>>7144437I have seen this wip for 3 months already.
>>7144437Shit...i haven't even started yet and you already gave me the answer.Thanks man. I gotta study this
>>7144441That is not the answer. It is one of the solutions. And not very precise at it. I don't know what you planned it to look like.
>>7144439I literally finished it a few hours ago>>7144443I had no plans yet. I'm still too beg to visualize shading in my head so this is a massive helpThanks again, mate
Nigger its over
>>7144435>sline>>7144452Post work or stfu
>>7144421yes you are correct, there are many small compounding errors that are adding up to more than the sum of their parts in the final imageit's entirely too difficult and absolutely pointless to try and fix it now, you've probably already looked at it too much and it's beginning to embed itself as a pattern in your brain, you'll just correct one thing to notice that it threw 3 other things out of whack which might look good to you at the time but still be wrong, move on, there's nothing more to learn, if you want to learn, redraw it, if you absolutely must fix this particular drawing, don't look at or think about it for a week or more and then try again with fresh eyes
>>7144396Day 999 of asking you to draw a ntr doodle
Hey /beg/. What would you ask your favorite artist if you had the chance to speak with them? Asking for a friend
>>7144464What's his/her dream project.
>>7144464nothing because they're probably an idiot due to the time they've invested in drawing and you'll only be disappointed by whatever dumb spaghetti answer you get
Could someone redline this? The legs look especially off to me but I can't visualise how they should be.
7144474this is why /ic/ has lower average iq than /v/
just studying tonight>>7144477are you drawing from imagination or have a ref?
>>7144479imagination
>>7144488
>>7144428fuck off AInigger
>>7144495Shoo shoo schizo
will i ever make it?
>>7144421You need to double-check the vertical axis of her head. Currently, the philtrum is not properly aligned with the columella, which in turn causes the mouth to appear slightly off-center in relation to the nose.Also, there's a subtle discrepancy between the angles conveyed by both facial features, with the mouth seeming relatively closer to what it would look like in a frontal view.
>>7144495>>7144428>https://www.artstation.com/forrestimel > Work for MTG, Riot, Steam, WoW, SmiteBTFO retard. What a fucking schizo!
I fucked this so badly pls help
>>7144410>why does she look retardedit's called being asian i think
Requesting help again since while Pawell is right about finding a ref and drawing what I see, it's going to change the intent of the drawing unless the angle matches, and I've fucked up the perspective already.>>7143786
Thoughts on using CSP 3D models? Is it cheating?
>>7144574Thoughts on using a pen? Is it cheating?
>>7144578i mean you are basically tracing a face
>>7144428thanks
>>7144464Show them your work and ask how it can be improved ofc.What else would you ask them?What's you favourite color?
Just drew this, pretty proud. Probably the best face I've drawn yet! Been learning by drawing for a bit over a week.
>>7144590Nice man, congratz!4chan will rotate your posts when you just phonepost if you're wondering.
>>7144592Thanks! And yeah I figured, sorry about that
>>7144405YOUR THE DOO DOO HEAD YOU FUCKING GOD DAMN NIGGER!
>>7144387After an hour of looking at various references and constant re draws this is the final product, I'm both proud and embarrassed, it's my most ambitious drawing yet, tried so hard and got out of my comfort zone more but the end result is sloppy in certain areas, what you anons think?
>>7144574No. Primarily because if you suck, the trace is obvious as such and probably looks worse than what you can draw freehand. To trace a 3D model in such a way that it looks good, you need the skill to make a character drawing look good in the first place. I remember reading Rosario Vampire way back and immediately noticed that is was traced 3D, but as time went on and the series concluded in vol 14 of S2, it was impossible to tell if it still used 3D for posing (which it did) It is a time saving tool first and foremost.
>>7144515looks good biro
>>7144515Help people help you. What irks you about this piece?
>>7144618This doesn't look 3d traced
>>7144515Give the guy some forearms and put some of those fingers together. Remember the index usually likes to stand out a bit and/or keep some distance from the other 3.Since he's grabbing onto something, the thumb would wrap around the object, not stick out like it is doing in the pic.Seek references or try a similar pose yourself, see how your arms and hands behave.
>>7144445>I literally finished it a few hours agoOkay, but how long were you working on it?
>>7144652Thanks for giving me an idea, will redraw it with a furry bitch.
I want to draw Wonder of U from jojo part 8 but i'm pretty bad at drawing.Maybe i should just copy
>>7144619Thanks>>7144622I’m not really sure how to narrow it down. I think the shoulders are anatomically wrong somehow, and the arms another problem. The head (to me) lacks 3d depth and the perspective doesn’t feel quite right, but I’m not sure I have the skills to fix that or If it’s even a real problem to begin with>>7144633This is helpful, thank you. Didn’t think about the thumbs. Think it’s time redraw the arms and increase the frame size to accommodate them
how the FUCK do I get rid of pic rel? I draw something I'm happy with and then few days later it's like I forgot how to draw
>>7144413Windows mess this up, they don't follow the perspective of the building, compare to ref
>>7144430You've been making this since like January
>>7144725>>7144445
>>7144515>copied mirror handsinstant 0/10
>>7144590>>7144612looks ass
>>7144733Well I'm not here to get pampered for my mediocre art but can you at least tell me how to not make it ass?
>>7144742Fucking pussies always getting all pissy after a little critique.
>>7144746??? Dude I'm just asking you to be specific, what are you talking about?
>>7144445You literally haven't finished it, it's still uncolored lineart
>>7144746>>7144733>thinks calling something bad without argument is a "critique">seethes just for being told to elaborateAbsolute retard. If you're going to be stupid, at least make it in a way that's funny.
>>7144652And he's drawing her pussy that nearly every woman has anywayThe most pathetic protagonist in fiction
>>7144763I don’t see you doing any better. Just crabs all the way down.
Project 3AI think I should redo this this is my first time drawing a irl figure instead of anime
any critique would be helpful before I start shading, this char also has a halo thingy so I'll also need to add that in>>7144834give it another try, I would also recommend drawing bigger or using a thinner tip/pen/lead>>7144612keep it up, the more you push out of your zone, the larger your zone will get>>7144515looks great anon, just add in forearms, they can go offscreen
Would appreciate advice on the rendering and any glaring anatomy mistakes.
>>7144866her left arm is longer than her right and her left upper leg doesn't connect correctly into her lower left legalso the perspective is wrong on her lower back but that would require to redraw most of the drawing.
>>7144834Try to recognize the clear lines.Use straight lines more often
>>7144662>Okay, but how long were you working on it?April 9, according to my fileYes, I draw slowly. I can only spare a few hours a day and even still, I keep on making errors
give me a cutie to draw
>>7144888Sigourney weaver
>>7144890I don't think that I would call her cute
>>7144888booba
>>7144893
>>7144888Draw A Cutie
>>7144893you don't think tall woman can be cute?
>>7144888
Will spamming quick sketches/gesture drawings help with accuracy?
>>7144931no, spamming accuracy drawings will help with accuracy
>>7144931why dont you try and find out fag
>>7144940I don't have that kind of time.>>7144939I mean, accuracy in timely manner. I can copy/draw things accurately, but it takes a lot of time. I'm tired if this.
>>7144944>I don't have that kind of time.quit drawing, the fuck do you think this is, learn php in 3 hours?If you dont have the time to test approaches you dont have the time to learn
>>7144947welpYou heard it boys. Don't bother with books.
>>7144948yeah, dont bother because you dont have the time, fuck off from this board
This is my second digital artwork, I just bough my tablet two weeks ago. Before that I did only traditional for around 5 months, let me know what I can improve or any tips
>>7144948I did not hear that.
how would you make an drawing look dark?
>>7144871Thanks anon, will try to fix this up while rendering
>>7144961Does it need to be? You could do a light tone over the whole piece but that might wash out detail.
>>7144966I think the shadows make it look as if the roof is out during daylight
>>7144952Soul.
>>7144931work on slow realistic drawings, use photo reference with clear light/shadows
just bought my third sketch book and tried to use fine liners for the first time, the mistakes I noticed on my own>the sketch is still somewhat visible after erasing>I messed up the hair and fur>the ears are off>the tongue is wonkyI think I did a good job with the skull tho
>>7144906nta but her hair was cute
Do i draw today? I'm not really feeling it but i could do a wee bit at least.
>>7145001I haven’t drawn since October, just after you “people” told me I was NGMI.
>>7145005And you won’t, especially if your to bitch made to push through criticism and hate.
Can I get some help with the hands? they are killing me. I just can't get them righttrying to do that gendo ikari hand gesture but one hand on top of the other.
>>7144387How do I make myself finally give up on drawing?
Well I tried doing the hand lesson in KTD yet again, this time follow you guys advice of only looking at the paper when I have to.I'll be honest I think it looks worse, way to big.
>>7145023BEHOLD HANDS
>>7145023>>7145038>>7145040 I would post my hands i’ve drawn but they’re part of a size play piece between a clydesdale and a mouse.
>>7145042>>7145023Of course for doing a womans hands you would de-emphasize the structure
>>7145023>>7145040Besides that if you practice constructing a hand enough you’ll get it, but you really have to do hand practice separate from the body you have to give yourself room to draw it and really understand it. Trying to slap hands on a figure in your notebook will undoubtedly lead to bad hands. So practice these anon just a page of shapely hands a week, and you’ll have them in no time.
>>7145040>>7145042>>7145044>>7145046woah, thanks.
>>7145038I will come to your house in the middle of the night and staple hand lessons to your ballsack
>>7144652
>>7145038This confirms for me that some people are just hopeless and that talent is real
some random practice. I need get back to more structured exercises
>>7144995 pog
>>7145070You're doin good, keep practicing and aim to be as accurate as possible, then draw the same thing from memory in any way you feel looks good. You'll improve really quick if you just aim to study based off an illustration you were going to draw anyway. It'll keep you motivated to learn. GL
>>7144387What is a crab? Is it supposed to be a reference to the 'crabs in a bucket' analogy?
>>7145023maybe like this?
>>7145090Suddenly Hitler
>>7145091goddambit it was supposed to be a moaihead lol
>>7145090Looking better anon
Observational copying.I honestly don't know what the hell I am doing, looks quite deformed but I assume it's a mileage thing that I just have to keep working on. How do I take measures like Right Side and Keys told me if it's on a screen with a pen tablet instead of a physical canvas that always stays the same size?
>>7145099Not bad, but you’re not building you character and getting your structure right before you move on.
>>7145090>>7145091isn' t that Gendo guy from evengelion though?
>>7145099nice, don't forget to overlay your image over the ref at the end and note down where you're were off
>>7145107>but you’re not building you character and getting your structure right before you move onElaborate on what this means.Also, I tend to want to move on sooner rather than later, because I noticed that I waste shitloads of time on studies and practice fixing every tiny thing instead of just cashing the rep and doing another one. Mileage.
>>7145109It's pretty much off everywhere, in the sense that everything is oddly sized relative to everything else. Tunnel vision of sorts.
>>7144869The torso looks fine, but his legs are way too long. Keep in mind that, in terms of realistic proportions, the middle point of an adult's full-body height is located at around the level of the pubic bone, with that of the hip joints being placed slightly above the latter.
>>7145115are you doing a block-in with straight lines? that could help you with general shapes and proportions, without getting bogged down in detail
>>7145113>>7145115What this anon said, it looks like your trying to mimic the outline instead of building a simplified version of the character to make sure your proportions are correct before adding details.
>>7145120I'll try that for my next copy. Can I get away with tracing the block-in over the image and copying the rest, or should I do the block-in and copy raw like before?>>7145121I'm still kind of scared of doing construction on my tablet since my pen control is pretty awful and I can't draw circles, straight lines, and so forth to save my life. Stuff is slippery, jittery.
My trials continueAs always looking for feedback
>>7145123do the block-in by eye, but overlay it before moving on to detail
>>7145123Understandable, i’ve destroyed my hands over my life and they shake horribly so i’ve had the same issue, and did the same thing in figure studies for a long time. What i’ve learned is…. Fuck them cock suckers telling me to have clean lines i’mma draw fucked up circles made entirely of searching lines.
>>7145128Understood. Thanks for the advice anon.
I intend to draw a lot tomorrow.What would you anons like to see from an uberbeg?Feel free to throw literally anything at me. I'll attempt every suggestion at least once but keep in mind it won't be all that good.
>>7145127Better. I suck at woman faces so i can’t give much more feedback than that but it looks more feminine and less chromosome enriched
>>7145129I think mine is more due to a lack of practice rather than physical injury. I am still trying to improve it as best as I can. Good luck with your own art anon. We all gotta make the best out of what we're given.
>>7145131I want you to draw hands anon
>>7145131draw some rocks
>>7145131armpits + angry face
>>7144995Plz tell me what the fuck kind of brush you used to get those beautiful tapered triangle like lines? I'm particularly wondering about the line I've circled below her left ear (although the lines on her eyelashes and hair also blow me away); did you erase the part that tapers off at the bottom or was this all from one stroke??? I can never get a line to come out looking like that even though my pen tablet is pressure sensitive!
>>7145023my attempt after applying the Trylsc's method
>>7145144hands look deformed lmao, you consistently make the first digit too short
>>7145158there's nothing wrong faggot
>>7145161Looks like you need to get your eyes checked then.
>>7145164blueline it or gtfo
>>7145161don't engage with retarded nodraws
Sup beg, i think i am finally feeling some gains. i feel the forms!>>7145131i would like to see utterbegs picking ONE course / art book and fucking drawing from it and PYWing, instead of nonstop asking for directions>>7145127>>7144479i like it>>7145099you can literally hold your arm with stylus and aim it at the screen the same way as you would do with real life reference>but my screen is closer to me than my armenjoy exploding spine, exploding carpal tunnel and going blind then>>7145038damn that is prebeg, you are literally not drawing what you see. still move on to next project and copy all the drawings in the book while you are at it. you NEED that mileage>>7144979she looks like she murders shotas and eats their corpses raw without seasoning>>7144869bad value range. limbs are literally melting into the body, the head is completely off the perspective + broken spine. USE REFERENCES>>7144834i like how confidently you placed her eyes. be a little less confident and measure a bit more. push less with the pencil so you can restate>>7144612thumbs up for trying, but its pretty beg>>7144590a little uncanny, but nothing drawing more wont fix>>7144515i like the colors. just finish it>>7144502it is a little stiff. try to alternate line thickness>>7144435broken spine
>>7145168>i would like to see utterbegs picking ONE course / art book and fucking drawing from it and PYWing, instead of nonstop asking for directionsCan and will>>7145136Seems harder than you'd think but uhhhh>>7145138Doable but i can't really imagine a good armpit>>7145135Easy.
Today's practice. I'm le tired, will continue tomorrow
>>7145177How this guy who drew a girl with a rapier was called.Similar vibes :)
>>7145165
>>7145183>>7145144red looks better but arms would need to be adjusted
>>7145064But I'm not supposed to "learn how" to draw a hand, I'm supposed to learn seeing vs knowing . So naturally the best way is to try and draw the part of your body that's the hardest to draw.Can you tell I fucking hate this book?>>7145066God I hope not>>7145168Pawell that is the exact same damn advice you gave me the other dozen of times.
>>7145186Either the fingers in red are too short or the hand is really long and wrists unnaturally bent at a weird square. Even just doing the pose in the mirror will show you that anon drew it wrong
>>7145191nigga im doing it right now, you need to see a doctor if youre having trouble doing a 90 degree wrist turn
>>7145193No nigga, your wrists dont form 90 degree shapes like that because of the form of the wrist rounding it out in that pose. Are you being deliberately retarded?
>>7145198
>>7145183you practically just changed the position of the armthe palm is the same length as the longest finger, nowand just like the other guy I literally did this pose with my hands before and no, I dont need to see a doctor
>>7145199Look at the wrists here, are you telling me that these look like the ref to you? The ref is much more round due to the wrist form turnning. Even if you want to depict it with a straight line, theres an extra angle change in there that anon depicting as sharp corners instead. lenngth of the fingers do not match the hand, even taking into account the perspective
>>7145201it could be wrong side bone :|
>>7145201are you a fatsu?I literally have this bones in my hand
>>7145201this is not the og drawingyou changed the perpective but not the proportion
>>7145206I have bony hands as well, but my point still stands, the finger extended length is much shorter than the base of the hand length and the wrist shapes look awkward and like tumors to me. If you're adamant on having shitty hands then be my guest>>7145207That is anon's og redline which i disagreed with, didnt change a thing in that screenshot
>>7145127I'm being extra nitpicky, but the cut of her bangs is slanted towards the left, and the comparatively thicker upper lashes of the furthermost eye make it appear just a tiny bit taller than the foreground one.Also, I think that her face would look slightly better if the eye on the right were placed just a couple of pixels lower, so thay its alignment with the left one becomes "truly" horizontal.Lastly, the highlights on both eyes are placed at different levels.
here's your tumorit's terminal
just learned that you can change the line weight on CSP
And what I mean by the wrong side I expect it to be kind of like that.But I can't draw hands/
>>7145222Yes, thank you this is what I was talking about. The angle change of the wrist, it's too abrupt for that pose, anon deliberately picked a different pose than both anon and the OG drawing and was acting retarded. >>7145214
The top and bottom of this study are like 5 months apart.>repost from fake beg/int thread because dumb
>>7145140~.~ I lost some of my old images cause my comp died but luckily I checked warosu and someone had reposted it on another thread, here's the settings for the custom brush I made a while back on sai 2. For the taper effect I set my pen settings to max hard and made my pen size to max letting pressure determine how thick the lines would be. Sensitivity size is also 0 and at high hardness so a light touch should be able to give you a faded pixel even at large canvas/brush sizesThank you anon, I like to use as fewer single strokes ever since I saved up for the tablet, in the past I did do the erase think when I had a mouse lol hope this helps you.
>>7144963>>7144883>>7144866Alright I'm back home rate the setup btw, this is the only drawing materials I haveAlso I'll be taking your guy's advice very carefully thank you ill post my work soon
Long day
Big sword sketch
more color
rate
>>7145249Ok ok so like I'm gonna do this tomorrow cus it burned me out, I did it again with a different model and it didn't turn out great again, I'm Hella retarded and it made me overthinked similar to how I got burnt out from coding here's it so far and I didn't like it I forgot to fill the page top from bottom and did it with a different model to train my eyes so I can learn instead of copying, I still don't understand how that anon did it with straight lines and I'm gonna study that Pic tomorrow Thank you /beg/
>>7145257Kim Jung Gi vibes>>7145279Nice work>>7145284Correct execution and final result. For a tricky head/face angle pose, that's pretty good.
hands 40/100almost half now
>>7145292Do it anon, become hands.
>>7145288Cool ref image. I can't give a good critique because the way you took that photo tweaks the original proportions of your drawing due to the camera angle. So I don't know if her head is too small or her torso is too big, or it's just the angle of the camera giving that impression. But I like the way you did the silhouette, that's good, blocking shapes like that helps with doing much with less.Keep up the good work anon.
>>7145279Last bit for the night. Maybe Ill actually finish this one
>>7145292the thumb connects wrong to the hand in most of these, also try applying more gesture when drawing the hands, they look a bit stiff
>>7145327>top-middle head>the right side of the front of its face>only the left portion is shadedI have very minimal knowledge of light theory, but if the right side of the face is being simplified as a series of divided planes all with the same angle/orientation, would they not receive the same sort of light or shade?
:/
>>7145361Why is this drawing super comfy? I bet you're comfy while drawing it too anon.
>>7145213your attention to parallel lines is inspiring There's something about this lineart that makes it look like an amateurish trace, what is it?
>>7145065
Today's attempts.
>>7145339I'm sleep deprived so don't quite understand your question but hopefully this helps.
>>7145339you are mostly correct. this pencil scratch is mostly to emfasise edges , less to depict accurate lighting. if treated as light, it is incorrect and can't happen .
>>7145038
>>7145168>she looks like she murders shotas and eats their corpses raw without seasoningplease don't say that again
What do I work on improving
>>7145554choosing a subject that's not a stupid self-absorbed cunt
>>7145338Next he'll say it looks right and pull up references showing you how you're wrong while proving you right :)
>>7145363>>7145361wake up babe, another 10zzz10 drawing just dropped
>>7145168very nice
>>7145554from here I would color your lines and render more
>>7145572Then nobody would ever make a self portrait lol
Thoughts? Is this how you draw tummy?
>>7145544Okay I'm no longer gonna follow that advice if this is all the feedback I'm gonna get
I hate criticism so much. Everytime someone tries to tell ME how they would make MY drawing better I just turn off. You think you're better than me? Draw it yourself then. Do it. Then again they're sometimes not wrong, and that only makes me angrier. I think this will stop me from getting better.
>>7145618ignore critique unless it comes paired with a decent redlineno need to get angry tho
>>7145592The showcase is very much appreciated. Eye opening for me since I only just started using color,thanks
Okay so I tried copying one of the hands from the book.It looks even worse. I'm not even gonna bother posting it because I know all I'll get is mockery.
>>7145618Sometimes they do know better sometimes they don't. Better is also subjective but even beginners can spot obvious/objective mistakes, so it's good to hear them out sometimes. If the advice compromises your ideal look too much don't take it to heart.
Proportion/angle check? Right leg looks a bit weird to me
>>7145605what's going on with that hand at the top there
Thoughts? I know the feet need some work but it was 2am and I had to wageslave today
>>7145622imo redlines are a crutch, especially for begs, the redline might show them the correct way somethings is meant to be but they won't learn from it and internalize it the same way they would if they got critique and then fixed or tried to fix the drawing themselves
>>7145668cutethe faces look pasted on, the hands also need work, and the hat girl's arms are of wildly different lengths
>>7145668flex the small girl right arm more, i mean, more widespread, you made the forearm too long. Feet can be detailed later easily with references, same with the hands that are a little disproportionate. I think that's the most important things to look the rest work ok with the general image
>>7145668hands and feet look godawful. suwako's arms are too long
>>7145670i dont usually make redlines but for that reason i always write in the image to tell the things, because yeah redlines dont really tell you anything.
>>7145670the redline is just a noise filterpreferable to miss out on a bit of good advice than to listen to retards
>>7145614I gave you an entire section of feedback. Read the section of the book i posted and apply it. Your hatred of the material make it no less valid, and is like a baker hating a cook book because it doesn’t make delicious cakes in a fashion he favors. Anyway here’s some loomis you can complain about too.
>>7145668Your hands aren’t up to the quality of the rest of your work
>>7145668That foot as well, your bodies are nice and shapely.
>>7145288try to also draw with long unbroken continuous lines, might help build confidence
>>7145668Besides those small nitpicks great work anon, just need to get in that foot fag and hand master race practice to be solid.
>>7145140Looks like generic G-pen brush
>>7145679Look I already told you, the lesson isn't about learning to draw hands. This shit is useless to me right now. Do I have to post pages so you get it through your head?
>>7145696What the fuck is this?
>>7145339Yes, but visually it can be more complicated. Theres an optical illusion near hard edges where because of the contrast between the light and dark planes, the edge touching the light plane will appear darker than the rest and especially the edge of the same place but next to a darker one. Idk if it makes sense written like this but basically its a contrast thing. It can be stylistically rendered like he did
>>7145700It's from KtD, the book I said I'm working with, the one literally everybody here keeps recommending.
>>7145709I see where bert’s coming from but don’t think this will be very helpful without some understanding of form, like all his examples from students of “various skill” have some ingrained knowledge of how a hand is put together, what it’s proportions are, and so drawing it via this method is more constructive to their development as an artist.
>>7145720this is an observation exercise, an anti-symbol drawing exercise. you don't need to know about hand forms you need to draw what you see.
>>7145722I can’t really you get better at this exercise as i find this exercise hogwash for beginners, In my opinion you need to practice copying things as precisely as you can and then worry about what ever this is later once you’ve grasp some basic capability to draw.
>>7145554Clean up the lines? looks pretty good
>>7145494>you are mostly correctand where am I incorrect? I don't say that in a hostile way, I just want to gain a better understanding of light theory (as I am a /beg/let, as previously mentioned).
>>7144590Another one today. Ik it's still very beg but somewhat of an improvement maybe? I think I'm drawing the cheeks kinda weird, plus I'm still having some trouble making the eyes look the same (and not uncanny)
>>7145744use ref
>>7145730Okay so if I'm not supposed to start with this what the hell do I start with?
>>7145745This was with a ref lolI mostly use photo references, are drawn references better?
>>7145671>>7145672>>7145674>>7145681>>7145687Wow thanks. It's a lot of good feedback. I noticed something was wrong with the arms of the little one too, but I couldn't figure what. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction with that .Regarding hands, I used to do pose practice with that Posemaniacs hand 3d viewer but I stopped, I need to that again and maybe go for a construction approach too since I often get comments about my hands being worse than the rest. But they are so hard mang I still don't get them fully.Once again. Thanks a lot for the feedback!! I really appreciate it.
>>7145736in real reality, value on any plane most of the time will be gradient for reasons, even if it's hard to notice. But value change==plane change is a good/smart/useful way to treat direct light.
>>7145751post the refboth are good to practice, line drawings are easier to copy
>>7145758Here's what i used
hello lisaheads
>>7145763idk why it got so fucking compressed
>>7145750Start with the greeks
>>7145761for self-critique, overlay your drawing to your ref; adjusting its size to minimize deviation (but keeping its original width/height ratio)a common issue when starting out is to place the facial features too high in the face, which you can see in pic relatedthe features are also too big, which is another common mistake
>>7145755that makes sense, particularly when you think about reflected light. thanks.
>>7145773Oh I see, thanks for the tip, I gotta do this more. Would starting on a bit bigger format help help with the size of the features or not really? I'm using a small notebook, maybe that's why i struggle for example making the eyes smaller (here's pic for size reference)
>>7145789yeah seems a bit small, try at least an A4 starting outforgot to mention, make sure you take the photo perpendicular to the drawing, to avoid perspective distortion which might mislead the overlay step
>>7145793Alright noted. Thanks again!
A rough outline of where I plan to do the shading. Going for a more stylized shadows look like persona or comic books. Any crits on that?ignore the line art it's just a test and the batman owlman drawing.
>>7145618what an egoistic manchildngmi>>7145768cool
I can't come up with anything originalWell I can but it looks like absolute shit. i'd rather just study fundies.
I was out all day so I finally tried drawing from life instead of just doing quick book studies. felt kind of nice.What do you think?
>>7145797Are you going to do some hatching to define your forms?
>>7145806I love doing soft sketches of trees its very relaxing
>>7145618No hope of making it. Will forever do begtier coomshit like sonichu and never improve
>>7145750Continue.Reading.Keys.To drawing.The book teaches observational drawing. Observation is essential to every artist. Please keep reading.
>>7145797>>7145806nah, here is some references for the style
>>7145554whatever you want, but remember that you need to keep the consistency in the shit that's all, if you are gonna make shadows keep them logical, dont use blurred brushes if you are not gonna do realism or shit, and if you do then keep them delimited as you do cel-shading with a hard brush, defining the shapes correctly and not randomly.The most easy to do right know should be taking more time to do correctly the lines, for the painting yeah any way you want, with a solid linework should look ok as long as you don't start inventing things.
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>>7145632Well said.
>>7145834which moriko artist are you
Iam still NGMI so fuck your shit thread
>>7145870you always will be with that attitude
>>7145826But apparently I need to learn form before I can do that..So I ask again: Where the hell do I start?
>>7145880You start by just doing whatever you want there's no correct way now grind ktd or forms, stop being a howie
I'm so proud of the howie that he's still able to get these retards to give out (You)s. It's an honest grind.
>NOOOOOO U CANT JUST USE SOMEONE ELSES PROPORTIONS AND CLAIM THEM AS YOURE OWNhahaha scp 3d head go brrrrr
>>7145826that book helped me but i still cant draw gesture. my cartoons look stiff...i might be doing something wrong. i need to improve my observational skills as well.
>>7145084Thanks man. tried to some of the poses from memory, not really satisfied with the result (surprisingly I find it harder than doing a pose from imagination) but seems like a fun exercise.
>>7145886Anon I'm gonna be as clear with you as possible:I tried doing my own thing first, all that happened was that people kept pestering me to KtD. So I did that and got told that I'm shit at it. So tried doing my own thing again and guess what fucking happened?So it would be really nice to get some advice that doesn't put me in a fucking loop.
>>7145889But how does he do it?
do any of you anons have low self-esteem when it comes to drawing? how do you deal with it
>>7145926crabs just make me want to continue out of spite
>>7145926Anti depressants and alcohol !
>>7145926Complaining, apparently
>>7145926It comes and goes. Sometimes I feel I can draw the hottest anime bitches and sometimes I feel like a complete fraud drawing shitty scribbles
>>7145904the first pose is completely meaningless
>>7145412I attempted a few changes
>>7145934meaningless as in ‘failed to make it remotely close’?
>>7145910Continue KtD and leave this place. Maybe come back when you have finished the book.Not a joke.Don't answer. Just go draw Howie.
>>7145947Don't reply to the "meaningless pose" anon.
>>7145948Okay sure excellent idea, continue with the book that I'm struggling with. Surely putting myself through mental exhaust will help my skllls improve.
>>7145947as in the pose is bad and shouldn't be drawn because it's awkward and unnatural. No person/character imaginable would do this in any scenario, it's just "pose reference pack" slop
>>7145625I'm gonna steal your bat loli and make her into a full character design ;]
>>7144387Is that Love Life Drawing thing in the OP actually worth it?
thoughts
>>7145968Nothing was ever learned without struggle, my weakling friend
>want to draw something original>have few to no fucking creativityhow do i cope or fix this
>>7146041draw some cool rocks
when i zoom out of the picture, the girl on the right looks like a serene old man and it's driving me nuts
>>7146044that looks like an elephant
Will copying photos help you improve?
guys what is the secret behind cute anime girls?i cant draw them anymore and i feel more depressed every day
Critique please. I'm trying to draw an OC I left in my brain for too long. I spent most of my time drawing a different one over and over and I think I should just knuckle down and draw every one of them rather than neglect them to the point their design is lost to me. I still haven't grasped the basics but as long as I can burn through a sketchbook and not feel like it's a total waste of paper I'm satisfied with any progress accumulated.
>>7145427
>>7146115my fwarking hero
I can't draw folds, they always look awkwardI read a few books on folds and I sometimes copy from referencebut when I use my imagination (pic related) they always look weirdI don't want to use references all the time
>>7146126another example, they look awkwardI want to be good enough to be able to draw a short comic or mangawhat are some artists who know really well how to simplify folds and all that
>>7146025But I shouldn't be struggling with the fucking beginner book now should I?For the love of God just recommend me something I don't want to do this book anymore, all it's doing is making me aggravated.
>>7146130wut?
>>7146132allow me to translate, "wah wah wah wah wah"
>>7146130Your two options are to>Power through>QuitOnly one of them will lead you to getting better at art. There's nothing else to be said besides empty platitudes.
>>7146130>I shouldn't be struggling with the fucking beginner book now, should I?/int/ herethat's normal, the beginning is the hardest part, it gets easier from there (until you plateau, and you stop seeing gains and you feel burnt out)beginners books are super hard in my opinion, there's no way a person without any experience can make perfect copies of these drawingskeep going, you're like a newborn deer, the first steps are always awkward
>>7146143>>7146144stop replying to the resident schizo you fucking retards
>>7136075Which artists are your main inspiration?>>7144396Do you go by anything or is it just this here gen?
>>7144387>Keys to drawing>Art and science of drawing>Draw a box (Lesson 0-2)>(YOUR RECC HERE)Where the FUCK should i start, is had a passing read of the first two and they are different philosphies.
>>7146157I hate saying it but just drawDo something you wanna do and actually put effort, it lets u see what u need to work on
Took a bit of a break from faces and tried drawing some poses from a drawn reference, just trying to copy the ref as close as I could. Really enjoyed it
>>7146152>Which artists are your main inspiration?Yoh YoshinariViktor KalvachevChing YehPietro AntognioniOff the top of my head. There's a lot more.
>>7146157I literally just started drawing for the first time ever (ignoring scribbles made as a toddler or whatever) using a family member's tablet and chose Keys to Drawing.
>>7146143>>7146144So there really is no other way then huh?God I don't wanna quit, but fuck I might have to.
>>7146253based. keep it up and keep drawing instead of lamenting over "how?"
I do a little Dodson or Everson or Bridgman hoping to get "better" one day. My accuracy is good but my other fundamentals are lacking and I don't make any art of my own, just copies and lessons.It's been a year of this.Now I start to think that my goal is one day to paint.but I've never tried. I don't even feel I can draw; I'm sure I have to be able to draw first, but I doubt I'll reach a fixed point where I think "Okay, now I know how to draw, time to learn to paint."
>>7146157what do you want to draw
>>7146253> He can't even draw the shoesYeah you're NGMI
>>7146280Comics so i have to have knowledge of all main types of drawing i suppose.
>>7146286try to draw a comic
make a new damn thread already pawell
>haven't tried to do anything artistic in 10 years>get gifted a tablet>try doing some fanart for a vtuber i like>worthlesly spent the last 6 hours on this, when i have work and finals to study forThere it is, that feeling of worthlessness that caused me to stop. I get its been a decade with no practice, and its digital which i've done tried all of 5 times so I shouldn't be upset, but man its like every feeling just rushed back and its somehow fucking worse>have no confidence in my lines so i chicken scratch everything>even with reference next to the image, still cant get the proportions right>I do not understand digital media so the attempts at coloring are even more patheticat least mischief is cool, I always hated zooming in and being met with pixels.
>>7146553You're just expecting way too much of yourself up front. You need to strike a balance and have fun with drawing, be more loose, let yourself fail more. I can tell that you hone in extremely hard and obsess with perfection in mind. I recommend aiming for more sketches rather than focusing on one for hour, you won't get as much mileage tweaking pixel even though it can be addicting. Of course you'll get frustrated if your expectations exceed your skill. Even minor practice benefits you immensely and you already know what work needs to be done just take it one at a time. boob too high but that can be fixed in 2 seconds flat with digital, I like it.
>>7146553it looks good but I can't see anything :/
Sketch from imagination
hyperbeg
>>7146704they’re straight enough
>>7146906I forgot to put /beg/ and /int/ in the subject I'm killing myself
