Are all investments just ponzi schemes? What would make something not a "ponzi"?
>>58441156An investment is not a ponzi if you buy while/because you know that the price will stay the same, or ideally even go down. Ask Chainlink holders.
>>58441156our whole existence is a ponzi tf you talking about
>>58441156Having end consumers who want the thing for something other than just re-selling it to someone else for more.Like houses that some people just want to live in, etc. Even stocks have dividends, buybacks, mergers and acquisitions by other businesses, etc.
>>58441175how is our whole existence a ponzi? just the fact we keep multiplying for the sake of multiplying? >>58441184Just curious, but what's the point of stocks with dividends if you can just buy an ETF that's appreciating and sell a bit of it? Like having millions in ETFs and just selling 4% annually, instead of keeping millions in dividend-paying stocks. I would think the ETFs would net more money with less risk.
>>58441156>What would make something not a "ponzi"?Actually creating value and maintaining a high ROI for your clients.
Christ, you people should not be allowed to handle any money, for your own good.The defining trait of Ponzis is that old "investors" are paid with money from other people joining in, so when the inflow of new retards slows down, it inevitably collapses because there is no liquidity to pay the promised returns.If you buy stocks of a solid, no-bs dividend-paying company (you know, the stuff non-desperate adults buy), assuming for whatever reason people completely stops trading that particular stock for whatever interval of time, the nominal price stays the same while you still get money from dividends, which come from real profits, made by a real company, selling real goods/service.Another form of real investment is bonds, which are just promises made by reputable entities to pay you an amount of money on specific dates.The fact that it's just a promise means it costs less than the amount promised, and that difference depends on what the market as a whole expects as a return and the credibility of the entity making the promise.Crypto is a scam but not exactly a Ponzi.It's more of a glorified lottery ticket bought by poor people who have no chance of "making it" without a 30000x on their 100$ lunch money handed to them by their parents. No one believes in the "fundamentals" or the "technology" which is a failure and not really scalable, everyone just wants to buy at price X and sell at price X + Y.It's just a tool for gamblers and opportunity seekers to sodomize each other hoping the cultish marketing perpetuated by the retards who own itwill bring in some more capital before they exit.
>>58441283>No one believes in the "fundamentals" or the "technology" which is a failure and not really scalable, everyone just wants to buy at price X and sell at price X + Y.>It's just a tool for gamblers and opportunity seekers to sodomize each other hoping the cultish marketing perpetuated by the retards who own itto be fair this was also true about American real estate just after gaining independence
>>58441283Ok now what about stocks that dont pay dividends BUDDYStock market is a ponzi too (like crypto) bucko the jews have brainwashed you
>>58441326Real estate has intrinsic value. Buildings provide protection from weathering, a comfortable place to rest, safe storage for stuff and privacy. Land is also required to grow food at scale, something so valuable any human would die without it.Crypto as of today is just magical numbers on the internet having no real usage except going up.
>>58441423Same as crypto.They are a speculation tool, but not a Ponzi.The moment you buy them you already know you won't get paid, you just bought a share which behave like the business is not profitable, even if it is.You are not being tricked on where your gains will come from and nobody is hiding you the fragility of the whole scheme, you are deliberately buying something with the only intention of selling it for more in the future to the next bigger fool.
>>58441156The entire economic system is a ponzi that is rigged in favour of the Jews
>>58441688>entire economic system is a ponzi that is rigged in favour of the Jewshow?
>>58441688>muh jooz>meanwhile sandniggers have trillions from oil money and fuck boatloads of ig models
>>58441156>Are all investments just ponzi schemes?It's a spectrum.How much does an asset cost vs. how many stars have to align/stay aligned for things to work out?Is it even possible?If not it's a ponzi.
>>58441156noponzi schemes are when you use new investment money to pay old investors something they're owed meaning you have an infinite liability cycle the US treasury bonds are a prime examplethe interest (liabilities) are paid using t-bills (new creditors) infinite cycle
>>58441283retard
Owner operated businesses are not ponzi. Owners make more than an external passive investor who is just looking for an exitOwners of good businesses are happier if the stock market just shuts down permanently
>>58441283>Another form of real investment is bonds, whichI mean this isn't really true because the money in bonds doesn't represent tangible, real wealth. It's funded via taxes, it produces nothing and is produced out of nothing.
>>58441707The giga rich oil Sheiks are all of Jewish bloodlines. Jews are penetrated most societies. Take china for example, most Chinese billionaires including CZ are descendants of Chinese/Jew mixed bloodlines
>>58441156test
>>58441156Not all investments are ponzi scheme but be wary of investments that demand you bring referrals. That's why I'm better off with top narrative like Account Abstraction with Brillion having a good tech to go home with safely.
>>58442225I'd rather play DUA airdrops - work and get paid than support ponzis like the US treasury.
life is a ponziand the jew is at the top
>>58442295Your evidence for this?
>>58441156it's a risky bet, I've won half the time, but these are thoughts I'd rather not make and keep looking at dexview charts for my own sanity
>>58442295meds
BIAO is likethe only shitcoin that's not a ponzi I knowmaybe the market is pretty fucked
>>58441156the only reason why investments like stocks are worth investing in is because they beat inflation. this is by design. they want people investing in the stock market with their live savings (401k) to prop it up. the only reason why holding onto fiat is a stupid idea is because inflation is designed to eat away at your savings. If people stopped spending money on useless shit and stopped investing and started hoarding cash then our entire economic system would collapse. so yes. all of life is a scam
>>58442375>life is a ponzihow would you say life is a ponzi? i understand the financial markets are mostly ponzis, but I'm wondering how you'd articulate that life is also a ponzi
>>58441156I don't know if my retardio is, i'm fucking retarded after all
>>58442833>the energy gained from eating food is used to obtain and digest more foodif you think about it
>>58441156Is it giving you cash flow? I don't care what my dividend stocks market value as long as my dividend distributions grows.
If I told you I'd have to kill you
>>58441194Dividend stocks also appreciate. If you want to mitigate risk buy companies ont he dividends aristocrats list.
>>58441156Look for projects that bring real-world applications like Peaq Network. I'm not forcing you to do so, but it can help clear your doubts.
>>58442295This is true but the brainwashed goyim here will say you're crazy.
>>58441283>If you buy stocks of a solid, no-bs dividend-paying companyLMAOthe midwit value buyer enjoy getting your principal in the gutter for years while the company you invested in chses FUCKING FIATyou are a turbo fucking moron who does not know how to make money
>>58441423>Stock market is a ponzi tooFuck yeah its a ponzi. Throughout human history, the best markets are Ponzis.Insane ponzi speculation is a good indicator that human society is about to change. People as a group have spoken. Just sell before it drops because the actual integration of the thing is boring and a lot less lucrative. See 1999 Apple, Amazon, Microsoft, etc
>>58441156Sauce
>>58441423>what is book value>what is revenueThe crypto line goes up braindirtying is doing you no good
>>58441156everything is a fucking ponzi op, if you sell premium, you're good, if you buy at discount, you're good, but do that thing backwards and you're screw, and i'm not gonna mention the crypto games like blocklords
>>58441156>What would make something not a "ponzi"?An underlying business that yields real money. You know, what investments were originally all about. That business could be about fishing. It could also be a coin casino (staking ETH yields you money that way).
>>58441156Afriqarbitrage is not a ponzi scheme because it has crypto payment utility
>>58441156investing is only a "ponzi" scheme if you're retarded. you know, buy high, sell low? day trading when you're not tied to bridger capital or not a trust fund baby with unlimited monies from daddy warbucks. that kind of shit
>>58441283Based
>>58442798moonie moon
>>58442326>but be wary of investments that demand you bring referrals.Referral shills are the worst. Pure cancer, they pump and dump like clockwork, then vanish faster than a NEET's social life.Personally I like real estate, cos bricks and mortar never goes outta style, and Nuklai is digging it hard, imagine copping shares of a sweet apartment building with some dank tokens.
>>58441283people on /biz/ are here because they are too dumb to start a business or get a good job and theyre too uncreative to come up with ideas or start projects so they have to gamble in the cryptocasino as a dream of not having to work at mcdonaldsits clear why theyre not very intuitive
>>58441156>not a ponzi schemeTimmy owns a phone case factory, and divides up the profits every quarter and sends it as dividends to the shareholders proportionately >more of a Ponzi schemeTimmy owns a zero-revenue app that lets people resell their phone cases, but in the future this brand will be the dominant phone case exchange platform so get in early because other people will buy the stock for more money later, especially once he starts charging a 10% fee and starts raking in the cash
life is a ponzi
>>58447598safety is the biggest illusion of all
>>58441283That's unironically the brainlet take
is a ponzi still a ponzi if everyone wins
>>58441156are yolu legit fucking retarded?
>>58441456>intrinsic valueyou should never post again
>>58441156The whole concept of civilization is a ponzi scheme. Every generation sells the next dreams of great ROI if only they’ll put the effort and time (money) into learning how to function in civilization, only for all that energy and time ri be rewarded with seeing the bloodlines who got in on the ground floor get richer generation after generation. Its bullshit, byt its bullshit you have to put up with or die like a dog
>>58441156>What would make something not a "ponzi"?When the thing you're investing in does more than just multiply the value of your investment. Creating a profitable service or bringing a product market that generates profit fits this mold.
erc20i is probably the only thing that isn't ponzi this cycle
I am really tired of cynical Gen Xers stretching financial definitions just to fit their own warped and depressed world view.We cannot have an honest conversation about anything with those types, ever, cynicals are truly the most unsufferable types of people to ever exist.>by the way cynicism started from a literal Greek hobo who lived in trash and hung out around dirty mutts>Cynicism isn't cool>You probably smell like shit>You failed because you're stupid>Others will succeed while you failed>Stop dragging everybody down>There is nothing cool about cynicism, your past suffering means nothing to me>You never learnt anything from your past mistakes>pic. very related
>>58441156just look at whether the project has a future vision and a real function such as SUPER, XRP or SOL.
>>58441690>>58441194i'll explain, the economy and our society is predicated on continuous forever growth."a business is not a ponzi because the returns are generated by it generating value" no it's just that the ponzi layer is ultimately pushed to the customer layer. at some point, efficiency gains top out and it needs more customers to grow.
>>58441283the ponzi layer is pushed to the business pursuing more signups, more sales, more customersimport people, gdp go up, simple as
>>58448445Is cow's milk soap a real thing?Why would anyone want to smell like milk?
>>58441156You fill your bags with memes and shitcoins instead of going for long-term utility tokens like DUA, NXRA, ONDO, and SAND, then you're here shouting 'ponzi ponzi'. I pity you, Fag.
>>58442330I joined the staking campaign on Brillion DeFi terminal to earn NAI rewards. Smart move, Anon.
>>58441156all investments are ponzis, no exceptions
>>58441156A balance sheet and positive cash flow with steady or rising demand.next question.
>>58441156
>>58448070He's not wrongIf you gave everyone a ton of cash or stocks the cash/stocks would become worthlessIf you gave everyone two well-furnished large houses, houses would suddenly sell for pennies, but the utility provided by the house itself exists completely independent of what people will pay for it
>>58442326The concept need adoption since it allow users to pay fees in a native token rather than using the blockchain's native token
>>58452791fuckable
>>58442330You are not even getting it anon. How about securely hold this asset in the BrillionFi smart wallet, the preferred choice for tokenized RWAs.
>>58441156Wait i think i know that girl from somehwere
>>58441156crapto is a ponzi by itself but i see what you mean. You see it's a problem to define what is /not/ a ponzi, but if I could mention one is defi gaming, there are many projects out there that has been standing strong a reliable for years, just like superverse did before rebranding
